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Hello again! Following up on a post made to the "Babylonians" thread from last week by James about Caesar Miniatures still being open to the idea of designing new 1/72 sets, assuming funding is provided for them, I had an idea for new 1/72 company (or figure line within an existing company). I must emphasize at this point that this is purely hypothetical and I have no funding available for such a project. So it suffers from the classic artist's syndrome, sadly. :sweat_smile:
So my company/figure line idea would be called "Shieldwall." It would be expressly dedicated to providing sets of 48 infantry figures in 12-16 poses, with all of them being unarmoured shielded spearmen. The poses would be plausible for dioramas, but would be made in a similar fashion to the early Strelets Mini sets so that they all worked together in formation as well. The idea behind these sets would be to focus more on the clothing varieties within the shield wall and a little less so on the equipment, as they all have the same weapons (more or less) and are completely unarmoured except for maybe a helmet wearing pose or two per set.
The targeted eras for these sets would be from the Sumerians (same era covered by HaT's Sumerians) down to roughly 1200 AD, when shields started to go out of fashion in Europe. Shielded spearmen were an essential part of virtually every ancient army and most pre-13th Century AD Medieval ones across the world, so the cultural possibilities of what could be covered by this company/figure line would be extensive. Greeks, Khmer, Byzantines, Vikings, Celts, Lombards, etc. are just a few of the cultural groups that come to mind.
So what do you guys think of this (admittedly far fetched) idea? I think sets that are a little more generic/multi-purpose era than many of the current ones have decent potential for Ancient and Medieval times, although that might be because I have been playing too much Age of Empires II lately! :smile: :grin:
I'm not that keen on generic sets, I'm afraid.
I think the clothing styles that would fit a Sumerian and an Anglo-Saxon spearman are important (as important as 1/72 scale plastic figures can be). Shields & spears can be different too. I think the better manufacturers show ethnic features on the faces of their figures & I don't want some "vanilla" visage peering out at me.
I certainly appreciate your concept of getting the all-important shield wall poses.
I also don't want to appear too harsh or dismissive. But for me, no.
"I also don't want to appear too harsh or dismissive. But for me, no."
Not dismissive, just uber-direct, hey Donald?! :joy:
I like your post Babylonian as I too saw great opportunity in the offer from William (don't worry, not THE William whose work we love on this forum), but do not have figures ready to go for them to produce. I decided to leave it to the professionals at Strelets, linear A, Mars who are delivering at present.
That's not a bad idea. The bulk of armis in big battles was "poor" guys armed this way.
And with the clothing i don't see a big problem cause poor people don't necessarily wear excessively characteristic clothing details.
Also with the faces - for me no problem: how "ethnically" can a 1/72 person look?
Although I can see the possible benefits of relatively inexpensive 'generic' shield-wall types to create large table-top blocks of infantry, I sense that the world of wargaming figures is moving very much in the other direction. Manufacturers of smaller scale ancients, in both plastic and metal - I'm thinking here of the likes of Plastic Soldier Company with their Mortem et Gloriam 15mm plastics range, and for example Museum Miniatures with their fantastic new 'Z' range - are making much of the enhanced detail, high quality and historical accuracy of their figures, which are a fair bit smaller than our 1/72 models. This is all a far cry from the early days of wargaming figures, when the likes of Peter Laing made figures which were sufficiently 'plain' (and tiny) to be used for a range of armies within an historical period.
So, probably not an idea which will take hold amongst the current figure manufacturers at a time when buyers are in pursuit of more highly-detailed and accurate models.
But...buy your own 3D printer, find someone who will provide you with the software for a few generic 1/72 figure types and.....You too could have a shield wall of hundreds of 'similar and generic' figures:wink:
So I think there has been a bit of a misunderstanding because I worded the last paragraph rather poorly. These sets would not be actual generics, but quite distinctive in terms of their clothing (as in, Celts would look very Celtic, Vikings would be distinctively Vikings, etc.). My point was more that even when dressed distinctively they would be useful for a wide range of eras within their own periods, but the actual figures would be super distinctive from each other. Sorry about that.
So to give an example, imagine the poses from Strelets Mini's 004 Vikings but they are dressed more like this (except I would want to cut their helmets too): https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/products/vik013-viking-bondi-with-spears
Equipment would be SUPER simple, no swords, no armour, no helmets, etc. But they would still be quite distinctive from each other because of their facial characteristics, clothing styles, and shield designs. So you would end up with a similar effect to something like the latest Nappy Russian Infantry in Overcoats that was released, except the clothing styles would be even more distinctive because uniforms were, of course, not a thing at that point.