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Re: Time is the enemy

Hello Hank
I thought you weren't going to mention the Turkish Infantry again (or was that me that said it? ; of course it was)
I recently watched a programme (History/Discovery channel)called Battlefield Detectives. It investigated the battle of Balaklava.
They did not pull any punches.
It proved that The Turks in the Allied redoubts were under constant attack by the Russian Artillery etc., for a good two hours before Raglan got up to have his breakfast.
Then the cowardly Turks (as they were dubbed by the British press)withdrew to join up with the Highlanders (the Thin Red Streak) and with the help of the Highlanders repulsed the massive Russian cavalry attack.
I expect you know all this but I just wanted to reiterate that what should have been know as the 'Thin Blue streak -with a bit of Red in it' cannot be ignored in any represention of the Crimean War.
We need lots of Turks for the reboubts and the Thin Blue Line.
But I'm not going to mention the Turkish Infantry again
Best regards

To Hank

If you enjoy the computer games, more power to you. It does sound a lot quicker. But I never could get the hang of them and I do like the old-fashion way. It's become mostly nostalgia for me, anyway, my last connection to a childhood that grows more distant each day.

sign of the times

That sums it all up nicely for alot of us i guess Andy.

the computer games are encroaching new virtual depths all the time which will soon allow you to pick your era, type of uniforms(skins) the images will wear.

In fact the technology is there already, just like the sports games, instead of 49'ers outfits it will be select Cuirass or Dragoon surtout etc.

In stead of select stadium it will be trench or open field or urban or desert warfare etc.

Thats why we shouldl try and ask manufacturers for better represented wargame figures and accessories or they(15mm 1/72 25/28mm) will all disappear.

Re: Re: Time is the enemy

Interesting take on the Thin Red Line story.

The Russian account I have read (translated) said the cavalry withdrew after recieving significant casualties from the Highlanders, who were initially hidden until they stood up from cover, and the artillery (definately British Artillery). The Scots' version says they first fired at 1000 yards with their rifles (something the Turkish troops could not have done) but did not have effect. However, the second and third volleys (according to the Russian account) wounded many and persuaded them to wheel away and retire. If some of the Turkish troops had indeed stood with the Highlanders, their fire would have been less important than their actual appearance in support in persuading the Russians to turn away.

However, the British accounts are always biased and tend to continually dismiss the Turks as 'unreliable, lazy or downright cowardly'. This has to be taken in context: many of the writers had a 'death before dishonour' complex (see The Charge of the Light Brigade), and Turkish withdrawal after spiking the guns is understandable when they were severly outgunned. The British army in the first year of that war was an army recruited from volunteers from other regiments who had stayed behind. Their 'gung-ho, lets get at them Ruskies' attitude, combined with superior firearm technology, tended also to make them do things on the battlefield that no sensible general would allow. The Turks were not cowards, but the Brits were a bit mad and treated them as such.