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2 historical questions -please let me know!

1) First I'm preparing (with knife and fire) your Military Order Sergants -not only for the painting I want to know if they were allowed to show heradlic on their shilds or was this only a priviligue for knights? I also know that the servants in the Order has a cursus minor and curus mayor but please let me have a concret answer to this. Btw. The horses do not have any sattle clothes wich is shown on the box cover!? They are Maltesers? And which Orden Knights are your upcomming M015?- which are looking pretty good!

2) Airfix did the French WWI with helmets but all other nations with caps. My understanding was that at the begin of the WWI all nations were only equiped with caps? Does anybody know exactly when several important nations changes from caps to helmets -my gues is that it was 1914-1915 caps, afterwards all nations helmets? But is this correct? Please let me know!

Martin Macalka


Re: 2 historical questions -please let me know!

Can't help with question 1 although I wouldn't be surprised if retainers had some sort of family symbol on their shields, although a full coat of arms would seem to me unlikely as I thought the main purpose of heraldry was to identify a specific individual in battle for morale, valour and ransoming purposes so you wouldn't want other people running around in your "strip" (soccer term for non-English readers). Sons were identified from fathers by a strip at the top of the shield, so it was all very specific to an exact individual. Just my thoughts on the subject and I would gladly defer to someone with actual knowledge and expertise.

As for helmets in WWI, I think these definitely came in from about 1915 onwards chiefly because of the number of head wounds caused by shrapnel.

WWI Helmets

Graham is largely right I think. The French introduced the Adrian in 1915 and the British were not far behind. Both British and Germans were all helmeted by the Somme (mid 1916). Of course it took time to issue them to everyone so for much of 1915 and early 1916 both would have been seen. Russia never fully issued helmets, but Americans always had them when in the front line. Same goes for Portuguese. I think the Italians all wore them from 1916, but perhaps the Austrians were late in doing this.

Re: 2 historical questions -please let me know!

The Germans had the leather pickelhaube helmet from the beginning, and did not completly change till 1916

Re: 2 historical questions -please let me know!

Hi the french were the first to equip their troops with helmets from June 1915 although these were only made from ordinary steel, prior to this some experimental helmets had been issued, its by no means certain that russian troops on the eastern front were issued the adrian helmet in any numbers..
germany issued helmets from early 1916,there were several versions of this helmet including a cavalry version with ear cut outs, initially units coming off the line would pass their helmets on to troops going on the line, so its possible in early 1916 for not all troops in the same unit to have helmets, at least not untill theres a casualty! ...
before this one of the german units had an experimental helmet issued by and I believe at the expence of the commander, basically a curved steel plate to protect the forehead..
The british introduced the brody helmet in late 1915 by july 1916 1 million had been issued....
The austrian produced the Berndorfer and also bought large numbers of german M16 helmets these were used from late 1916 a number of experimental helmets were also in use.
The italians adopted the adrian helmet from april 1916 and later produced there own simplified version of it specialist helmets were issued to wire cutting assault units, see waterloo1815 ww1 italian wire cutter.
from early 1917 the turkish army used a version of helmet similar to the german M16 but with a reduced peek, was not generally issued and may only have been issued to assault companys.

look here for a great site on the adrian if you dont speak french use babelfish...

Re: Re: 2 historical questions -please let me know!

The Austrians on the Isonzofront only got their helments around the end of 1916. Those in the East might have gotten thiers a bit earlier.