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Oh dear, here we go again, the never ending story of those ... thingies ... I promised not to mention again, you know what I mean ... these ...beasties ... those riders are supposed to sit on.
Dear Roger try to look at them this way:
They are odd-toed ungulates, are they not?
Ungulates - check.
Toed - check
And odd? - Sure. At least a little bit, no?
So not so far off the mark.
Always look on the bright side ... :wink:
Odd toed ungulates?? Never heard that term before!!
"They" basically stand on one toe per leg...the pedal (pronounced "peedal") bone. The equivelent of us standing on 1 tip toe per leg. With the hoof wall which constantly grows, around said bone (plus flesh obviously). The hoof itself is not bone. If thats an odd toed ungulate than I guess thats what they are!!😂
As for not far off the mark, allow me to just suggest this......
Shall we forget the better human sculpts of now & just go back to a human looking like the Airfix Waterloo French?? No matter the era? I mean, those figures had a head, torso, 2 arms and 2 legs didnt they?? I wonder how many would be as enthusiastic to regress back to that standard for human figures?!!!
Im sorry, but there is no bright side to a company doing half-baked efforts & then fobbing them off to the customer......unless we want to sleep walk into another "Hat Industrie"??
I mean if Strelets really are listening, why after the issue being flagged after the Prussian sets, do we still see these "animals" in these other sets brought out? They are the same just with remodelled furniture/tack. Surely if listening, the animals themselves would be improved no??
Oh well, we will have to agree to disagree im afraid. Besides, the British firing line set didnt even contain "them". It was an infantry set. It was still way below what the company can produce. Muskets didnt even look like muskets....bayonets or no bayonets. Some odd poses too. As someone else said....it looked more like a Grouse shoot in the Scottish highlands!!
Anyway, sorry Flambeau, I promise not to mention "them" again!!
Being a big part of my days activities not to mention working with "them" before the pandemic, they have tended to be at the forefront of my mind!!!
Anyway, Ive said all Im gonna say about current accuracy/sculpting issues etc now, so what happens now, happens.....come what may.
I think when the new set previews come out, from now on, I wont bother posting my thoughts on it....regardless if I like it or not.
I firmly now believe sets are being rushed, to meet this weekly hunger for something new and exciting.
And worryingly, any genuine and serious issues flagged up are tending to get put down & diluted, as almost an affront to daring to criticise the products.
Genuine observations, no matter how obvious, no matter how politely put, in some quarters have to be counter attacked and dismissed no matter what.
"Odd-toed ungulates" is the taxonomic order under which Equidae (horses, zebras, donkeys) and a lot of others are categorized. Just google it, it's in Wikipedia (had to do it myself :sunglasses:) No need to memorize it ...
Anyway my comment was just a pun on the "oddness" of the beasties which has triggered such a more or less heated debate. Please don't take it too serious. I know it's a serious issue for some, but once everything has been said, a little bit of irony might be forgiven ...
I honestly had never heard that term before!! Learn something new everyday!!
Anyway, no problem Flambeau, despite not hearing that phrase before, i understood it to be a joke....hence my laughing emoji after my 1st paragraph.
As for the seriousness/importance of recent issues in sets (whether 4-legged figs or 2!!), ive said all what I want to say now.
I guess we will see just how much Strelets listens and takes these matters into account, & thus addresses them.
If the same poor sculpts for our "4-legged animals", or other mistakes like no bayonet attached, muskety-shotguny wielding turkey shooters keep appearing in sets, I guess we will have our answer.
See.....I didnt say horse once!!!
As for the (modified) reuse of previous poses, I suppose the answer is simple: Strelets has done this before (viz. Arab horses) as have other companies like HaT and Redbox. And I think the reason is purely economic. You reduce production costs and can produce more sets. It's not ideal, sure, but I guess it's not a market that yields huge profits. And of course you can argue that if a producer takes this path he should take special care that a product that is intended to appear in multiple sets is absolutely first rate. Perhaps being from the "make do" generation is letting me see things in a somewhat milder light if the results do not always entirely match my expectations.
Excellent figures! The first two things of popped in my mind was a guard unit for a headquarters or out on the flank concealed in the woods doing piquet Duty. I think I'll get several boxes just for those purposes.
I hope nothing I said was taken as an "attack" I am not unaware of the flaws in some of the sets; just trying to give another way of approaching it in what I hoped was a civilized manner. As I said, there are some sets and even some companies I avoid because they just don't "cut it." It's up to each of us to figure where that line is drawn.
I believe constructive criticism is vital and should be not only accepted but sought. Again, where the line between constructive criticism and "trolling" is up to the beholder. Just as is the line between loyal support and being a blind sycophant. May we all tread the narrow line between the two.
For my part, I have aimed nothing at you personally Wayne. Please dont feel that I have.
Just as I hope nothing has been aimed at me? In fact I think I actually said your previous post was a good one?
I agree wholeheartedly, that there is a fine line and I hope I do not come across as a "troll". I most certainly have no wish to be such.
I have made my feelings known on certain things, made observations which I feel are important and have tried to convey them in a passionate but respectful manner. Looking at the situation from the perspective of not just a consumer, but from a business point of view too. I have not descended into name calling, personal attacks or vicious vitriol. I have at times even tried to add a little humour.
When I say there are those who shout down even the slightest little criticism of a set, i am thinking of no single person in particular. Rather a recollection of various comments ive read here and there.
Thing is, sadly sometimes you have to press home your view, just to be heard, just to enact some action being taken. Trying to speak out in a meek fashion, just runs the risk of not being heard at all.
As I have said in my earlier post, from here on in, i am no longer going to post any more feedback..good or bad...on new previews of masters/sets. That way i can neither be a blind loyalist nor the devil incarnate!!!
Instead I will let my wallet do the talking.
If sets are made which clearly have issues but nothing is said or done about them.....oh well.
I will finish just by saying, it is not always easy to try to convey our thoughts, feelings or moods in the context of written text/social media etc, compared to being in front of people and speaking directly with them.
No slight intended to anyone personally, Roger. As I said, I personally agree with some of the constructive criticisms of the sets in question. For me it's not a deal breaker. I agree, this isn't the best means of communication; however when I think of the friends and acquaintances I've made across the globe I might not even have ever heard of had it not been for the net it's a trade off I'm willing to make.
I would add to that the help and useful tips we all give & also recieve. No to mention excellent pictures of work by others.