Thanks for the info Martin.

I spent rather a long time in Rheindahlen, about 10 years in all, when HQ SIB was at Bedford Walk in one of the accommodation huts that had been converted to office space. After retiring, I went to work for the Garrison covering married accommodation. A lot was done to try and improve the buildings, most of which went up in 1952/3. I still have a copy of Gratton's booklet showing the construction of HQ BAOR and all the surrounding buildings after it all moved down from Bad Oyenhausen.

I learned from the German authorities that if and when the camp reverted to full German control, they would probably demolish most or all of it as the design had been for a 'Temporary camp' and the buildings would not come up to modern standards. This was confirmed by PSA at the time, most buildings being only single instead of double wall construction with a 30 year life span. There is a black and white documentary showing the camp being moved into, families and all, around 1953 when it was hailed as the accommodation wonder of the age! It is on one of the RMP web sites, I think RMP World.

Later, I went to work in the main HQ, 'Space Headquarters' as one of the civilian security guards. At least I can find my way round the whole building unlike others who worked there and only knew the way from the entrance to their own department and the NAAFI!

I wonder if it will revert to forest or the Germans use it as some sort of development.

Hi Harry,
I remember you well from Branch days,particularly in NI when you sported a serious 'Jimmy Edwards'. I was not aware of you staying on in Rheindahlen as a civilian but, if my fading memory serves me well, I do believe you were SIB RQMS, perhaps the one before Derek Harmon took up the post? What to do with the camp after the lights are finally turned out is a problem that is causing the German authorities considerable anxiety. The Rheinische Post is full of bright ideas almost every week. A nature park, a university, a sports centre. The fact is, as you mentioned, most of the buildings are decaying and unsuitable. Legionaires disease has been found in the Big House water system and much of the plumbing and brickwork is rotten. The MQs are not bad, most having a little bit of woodland at the back as Col Gratton intended, but they are in serious need of modernisation. To clear the site would costs billions and take years. To leave it unattended with heating off would mean that in 4 years it would be beyond economical repair, as we established at Detmold and elsewhere after Drawdown. The locals biggest fear is that it would become a refugee camp with the occupants adding to the already large unemployment situation in the area and living off Stadt benefits, such as occurred when they took over the MQ patch at Hakerdahl,Detmold and the Sandhurst blocks at Dormund after we'd left. My bet is that in 10 years, we will find that the MQs have been sold off and the rest will be in decay behind the wire. There are quite a few newbuilds within the base, including single living accommodation. MOD tend to waste our money on upgrading our camps just before we hand them back.

Hi guys
I found it most interesting reading your comments on the Rheindahlen Military Complex. I spent two very pleasant and very divers tours at HQ SIB in Bedford Walk in what I believe were the halcyon days. My first tour was in 1973 when I took over as NCO/IC CRIO from Jim Fudge - the HQ staff at that time comprised: Lt Col Brian Thomas - CO, Phil Oddie - Adjutant, Roger MJ - CC and Ray Cowell- RQMS. I was posted back there in 1977 taking over as CC from Wayne Campbell and was initially under the stewardship of Lt Col Bill Godden then Lt Col Jock Moffat, with Jock Smith as the 2IC, Dave Watkins - Adjutant, and not forgetting of course the ever cheerful RQMS - Derek Harmon. In 1882 after my commissioning into the RPC I again returned to the area but this time working just round the corner in Ayreshire Barracks running 4 PCLU. It seems such a pity to think that whats left of the married quarters and office buildings as I remember them and which hold such pleasant memories will soon be no more. Still I suppose it is almost half a lifetime ago!!!

Regards to all from the antipodes
Geoff Harland

Hi Geoff and all others,
I was a Sgt in Lipper Hellweg, Bieleld during the days of Jack Moffat and crew and so must have been in BAOR at the same time as you. You mentioned Ayrshire Bks, which of course was also home to HQ SIB, certainly during the late 80s early 90s when John Nelson and Bill Jonas were in charge. Ayrshire is surviving the chop and will continue to be used as a tpt/stores depot. Now that the planes have flown off, RAF Bruggen has been re-named Javelin Bks. The occupants, 7 & 16 Sig Regts will move to UK about 2015(I think)when the location will be closed and handed back. We are still using the MSQs at the former RAF Wildenrath, but these are now being vacated. Because we handed back the vast majority of our MSQs in Herford & Bielefeld during Drawdown, we are now having to re-build some to house the units moving there from Rheindahlen. (No comment!) As for Rheindahlen, once gone lost forever. I hope we don't regret its closure as we did the loss of our BMHs.

Hello Martin, of course I remember you even it was some 24 years ago that I left! I'm not as old as Old Man Harmon, he's ancient but we exchange bits and pieces still. I actually took over from Derek in '83 and in '86 handed over to Bert Johnson. The job was shown as being available Extra Career Regimental, ECR. I applied and was told it would create a promotion block if held ECR. About '89, it was decided to give the post to GPD so the Branch then lost a WO 2 post.

Talking about getting it wrong, don't they always, I saw squillions wasted while working as a civil servant. In Tidworth we spent money upgrading quarters with new showers, UPVC doors and windows only to demolish them within 18 months and rebuild. On one hand we were exhorted to save and then watched the faceless ones in London waste it all. I'll get off my hobby horse now!

Regards to all.

Harry

I have been following the exchanges about the decline of Rheindalen Garrison with interest and note the nostalgia felt by those who served there over the years.
I never served in Rheindalen but in the late 70s I was WO at Werl Det SIB BAOR. Quite recently one of our members, who wishes to remain anonymous, sent me a Microsoft Power Point presentation of over 30 photographs taken in June 2009 of the present state of dilapidation of Victoria Barracks, formerly Vittoria Barracks, Werl, which used to house Werl Det SIB and the local RMP unit (I now don't recall which RMP unit was there in my time). Since we vacated it the Barracks buildings have been allowed to go into decline and become overgrown. The power point presentation of over 30 photographs can be seen by going into the Photograph Gallery and clicking on 'Non-attributable' then 'Open'. All very sad when one thinks of the thriving, busy, well kept place it once was!

Martin,
I have read your contribution with interest. At a recent veterans’ day at Münster it was announced that present planning is to close down all BAOR locations with the exception of Bergen-Hohne, Münster and Herford. Many of the empty barracks will probably end up in ruins, because the current situation in Germany is that when a British Army barracks is closed down (as in the case of all seven barracks in Osnabrück in March this year) it automatically goes into the owwnership of the German Ministry of Defence (Verteidigungsministeium) and this complete with all married quarters and other facilities like cinema, workshops, etc.
In a few cases they have been bought by the municipal authorities but the price set by the ministry is usually so high that they will hardly ever be sold. These civil servants seem to prefer to let the premises go to ruin than to drop the price. The married quarters at Imphal Barr1acks in Osnabrück are being sold individually to the highest bidder but the minimum price set is of such magnitude as to prevent reasonable results.
I trust hat this will help to clarify any question of responsibility.
Bet regards
Bernard Hudson

I first remember the Rheindahlen military complex when posted to 102 Pro Coy in the early 80's as we used to man the JHQ Police Station. At that time our MSQ's were in Windberg on the edge on Monchengladbach.It was in full swing then and was a complete British Town dumped in the middle of Germany I spent a lot of time in the "Big House" as I was one of two RMP who were the CinC BAOR bodyguards. Moved on to do my Branch attachment at 3 Det with Pete Buckle, Flogger and Archie Gemmel. Kay Roberts was on attachment at the same time. I stayed on as my first branch tour and was there when the IRA bombed the Mess close to the Det as it broke some of our windows. We had a great SIB Det bar back then. Oh happy days!! Sad to think of it decline.

I was at Rheindahlen long before most of the chaps who have replied to this forum, i.e. 1954/55. I was honoured to be the crucifer for the dedication service of the garrison church. I think I was the only member of the Corps, apart from the PM, who was a regular membere of the congregation.

Another sad day in the life and history of the British Army and the RMP and SIB legacy. Much of HQ ARRC is now re-locating to the former RAF Innsworth, Gloucestershire just around the corner from home as it happens. I also served in Werl initially with 113 Pro Coy RMP and then transferred to 12 Det SIB RMP BOAR adjacent to 1 Royal Scots. OC was Ian Watt and the WO, Stevie Grubb. My wife and I met in the late 80's whilst I was serving in Dortmund with the Artillery and we still often pass through or by Werl to visit family in Hamm and have seen its decline and the decline of Dortmund over the years. West Riding Barracks in Dortmund was some may recall, also the scene of the fatal shooting by the Provisionals of Major Dillon Lee, HQ Bty, RA in 91. With no reference to that event, the area is now a major road junc through to the City. A shame indeed about JHQ , similarly I didn't serve in JHQ but I enjoyed many a visit and some good times.

There is an interesting bit of film on line showing the closure of old JHQ at Bad Oyenhausen and the opening on JHQ Rheindahlen, still with works in progress.

Not sure if Bob is in it?

I think Topper Brown was there in the early days.

No Harry I'm not in those pictures, but I will say they are very good and worth a few minutes of anybodies time.

As there appears to be a degree of interest in things Rheindahlen - perhaps I may add another aspect to it! Some readers will well recall the old SIB Bar/Mess at the end of the Block containing 3 Det where some serious entertaining was done over the years! If so, they may also recall an interesting tradition exercised there for many years when visiters to the mess were invited to add their fingerprint impressions to 'The Wall' alongside the mess bar. I know this activity covered several decades as I myself was able to add my own 'prints' on many different occasions over the years!. Subsequently, I was posted there as RSM 87 Section in the early 80's when, as a result of a re-org, SIB lost (or perhaps gave away!) control of the mess facility which became an RMP All Ranks Mess (GPD, SIB, CP, LS, etc). Anyway, the short story is that (bearing in mind that 3 Det remained in the building with the 'through' door to the bar), I took on the job of Mess President and as such ensured the continuation of the tradition by keeping Udi (our barman who was transferred over with the deal) supplied with the FP kit to continue the tradition. However, I am not convinced much detail was added after SIB departed. However, I recently came across some old piccy's of the wall (not particularly specific) which do show many (not all) of the prints on the wall and I shall let Kevin have these to place in my growing(!)album. Those with a magnification facility on their computer - or even a magnifying glass - will be able to identify maybe their own and many other sets of prints!

I wonder what happened to that wall?

I shall make some enquiries for you Peter.

I seem to remember that one of the typists added a couple of interesting impressions to the wall but for the sake of decency these were normally covered up, the inked impressions that is!

Thanks for the pointers Bill. Finding the wall may still not be easy, but I'll give it a whorl.

Quite right Bill but er, she wasn't a typist! Nuff said before someone talks.......

Following the SDSR, which revealed the 5 & 10 year plan for BFG, there is much uncertainty in Rheindahlen. The closure is going ahead as planned, but where the various surviving units will be located may not be revealed until late March. In the meantime, a touch of nostalgia: I wonder how many remember the old YMCA windmill which was situated at Rastplatz Vellern, between the Hamm and Gutersloh exits on the A2 autobahn. There was a pedestrian tunnel under the autobahn so that access could be gained from either direction. I remember it from the late 60s, but the windmill was commandeered by the YMCA in the late 40s and adapted for use as a cafe and rest stop for military personnel manning the numerous convoys in those days. Some years later, we used to call in en route to HQ SIB from Bielefeld for a pint of tea, a roll and yesterday's newspaper. In those days, the place was usually packed with RCT drivers. Sadly, the windmill was pulled down about 20 years ago, but a very large photograph of the building remains on display in the German restaurant near the site.

Thanks for the updates Martin. I remember the Windmill from my time with 11 Inf Bde Pro Unit at Minden, 65-67.

If you ever get time, would it be possible for a few pictures of Rheindahlen as it is now please? Perhaps put them on Kevin's photograph site. I have many memories of the place having spent 10 years there in four different jobs and lived in a quarter for seven years. Headquarters rat!

Best wishes

Harry

Harry, I have just invested in a new Gucci camera, so if I can remember everything John Robinson taught me on my SOCO course, I will be happy to oblige. I will have to wait for a bit of decent weather first though, but I will get a few pics together over the next week or two.

Thank you very much Martin, something to look forward to later.

I haven't heard anything about John Robinson for a while, probably somewhere in Germany hanging on to that old pipe of his!

Let's see now, how did it go - F11 at 1/50th?

Regards

Harry

Gentlefolk! In response to Harry Good's request and to various other emails I have received, I have just finished photographing many of the well-known locations within RMC and Kevin has kindly opened a photographic album for me entitled 'Allen'. The photos are by no means masterpieces or even particularly interesting, but simply a nostalgic record for many O&B who have memories, fond or otherwise, of the base. The situation is that in about 2 years RMC will close (half of it is already defunct) and will be handed over to the German authorities. What they do with it is still not clear, but it could be that the site will be eventually cleared. Only 4 MQs are occupied in my 14-house road now, so things are a little lonely. It is also very difficult to enjoy a Happy Hour anywhere on the base on a Friday evening! I have received enquiries about the old YMCA windmill which I mentioned in an earlier submission. My album contains a couple of shots which may bring back a few memories.

Thank you very much again Martin for the pictures. They are very good, you are too critical of yourself!

It all looks very clean and tidy but very quiet now that people are leaving. Now that my old pad is empty, they seem to have taken the trouble to paint the external render!

Having been there from 1983 to 1992 it brings back many memories. I have a an aerial picture of the site taken just after the war and before building began. There are a number of bomb craters in the picture, which I was told were the result of overshoots or undershoots when the RAF were bombing Rheydt, Moenchengladbach and Viersen.

Regards

Harry

Afternoon Martin(and Ulrike)
You always were for "the main Chance" so why not make it a small business enterprise. You might like to take a trip down to Detmold and do a bit of happy snapping there.
Rgeards
Charlie

Hi Charlie - Hobart Bks, Detmold - my favourite ever bks and the memories of our "happy hours" in the SIB tower bar will never leave me. You probably know that the bks closed in 1994 and stood empty for years. A main road runs through it now and some of the blocks are starting to become used by minor businesses. I hope soon to re-visit the place, update myself on progress and take the odd pic. I will keep you posted.Nice to hear from you again.

As I am retiring to UK in 1 month, I thought you may appreciate an update on the situation here in Rheindahlen. With the recent relocation of NATO ARRC to UK and the dispersal of a number of branches and many UKBCs, the population in RMC is now vastly reduced and is still decreasing. There is hardly an amenity left, most of the shops being closed or working part time. The BP garage is shut and is being dismantled, several primary schools have been amalgamated and just a single, vastly reduced NAAFI shop is still open for business. They are ‘open all hours’ and provide a pretty good service for which they receive little thanks. The base is apparently on target for closure in Spring 2013, but still it has not been revealed where units and branches earmarked for survival will go. Most think Herford, if HQ 1 Div relocates to an RAF base in UK at the end of next year. In the meantime, there is no money and so only emergency works services are being carried out. In the road where I live on the SW Extension, only 3 out of 14 houses are being occupied, and these are likely to be empty by Xmas. With the gardens of the empty houses being totally overgrown and the estate now so peaceful, a large family of deer have taken residence and several of them have visited my back garden to graze. I left them in peace as I prefer lamb with my roast spuds. 2 days ago, I handed over my own Branch, the former Police Advisory Branch, to my old mate Pete Edmunds, who will now be head of 2 branches, including Customs & Immigration, formerly the British Frontier Service. Pete is a former ‘helmet’, but that doesn’t necessarily make him a bad person! As for the site, the German authorities, being similarly bankrupt, have still not decided how they will deal with the acquisition. Anyway, should you see a sad, poor-looking guy with a Branch lapel badge cradling his beer in a Cheshire pub, please buy him a drink – it might be me. Yes, I still like my beer, although nowadays I fall down 2 or 3 hours earlier than in the past. Should I receive any interesting info on RMC over the next few months, I will update the forum with my new Blackberry – just as soon as I have worked out what all the knobs are for.

Afternoon Martin
Thanks for the interesting update on RMC. What a waste to lose such a great facility after all these years. Please give my regards to Pete Edmunds. He was a "Staffy" at the factory when I re-enlisted in 1980, as I recall, runnning Tangmere House Training Facility. When you get back to UK, we must get together for a beer or three(regrettably Yellow Handbags are very expensive over here) Love to Ulrike.
Charlie

Many thanks again Martin, for keeping us up to date with the fate of old JHQ. As I said before, from my time with Housing there, it is unlikely that the German authorities can do much with the housing side, as it does not conform to modern building standards. Similarly, it will cost a load to knock it down.

Interesting that the wild life is taking over, there was always plenty in the area, being a forest and all that. It sounds as though it will become like our wartime airfields, quietly reverting back to pasture. We still have a couple nearby, one is quite visibly an airfield closed in 1946, the other now hard to spot even from the air as agriculture and trees take over.

Regards

Harry

Gentlefolk, just a short update on the JHQ situation, kindly provided by FB RMP Redcap, who have given me the go-ahead to re-publish it:

"JHQ is closing. By August this year (2013) the place will be empty and officially closed in January 2014. NAAFI is only a third of its former size, little Buschof NAAFI closed a year ago, hardly any messes left, a former kindergarten has been turned into a civvy bar..., no more petrol station on camp, of the former 12,000 population at the moment only 2,000 left. The RAF Police disbandment was January 2012, w.e.f. April this year no more RMP on camp but patrolled by RMP based on former RAF Brüggen etc. etc. JHQ, a ghost town! Most of those still there will be posted to Bielefeld and surrounding areas in April-June, which is also likely to close by 2018."

Whilst brief, the above is the bang uptodate picture. As for myself, I retired to UK some 15 months ago and at that time there were only a couple of occupied houses in my road, Plymouth Way. It is now empty and overgrown and there is apparently a family of deer jumping from garden to garden. I was sadly unable to attend the SIB closure function, but have heard (unconfirmed) that there will be a JHQ closure ceremony in July 2013 and that this will include a "Party in the Park", parade, church parade and various school open days. Pse beware, I have not yet received confirmation of this and, personally, find it a little far-fetched considering there may be few left to make the arrangements. However, at some stage this year, Ulrike and I will be returning to take a few nostalgic snaps and would be happy to take any of your old MQs, schools etc, should you wish us to do so. Regards to all, Martin.

Good afternoon Martin and all,
I was lucky enough to attend the dinner in November, which as covered previously was an excellent event. Anyway, I went with my youngest son, who is now 24, and was a former pupil at the St Georges School. He was one of the original members of the Rheindahlen Youth Football Club which was formed in 1994. He was quite gutted to see his old clubhouse and football pitch, down by the bowling alley, in ruin and the school closed down and overgrown. Then our old house on Devonshire Avenue locked up and starting to decay and the Buschof NAAFI totally boarded up with 4 ft high weeds all around. Quite sad really. Loads of memories. Still we move on, and he was aged 6 - 11 while I served at 87 Section. He took a load of pictures when we were there so I will chase him to let me have some. Although that said, I will be back out there probably at the end of next month as my brother is still serving there, that's his 4th JHQ posting, and is due posting to Glasgow, for his sins, in May. He lives in one of the officers houses near the old civilian mess, I can't remember the street name, but he has the whole street to himself. Best wishes to all. Derek

Hello Derek and all other Branch members,
Really sorry I have not replied to your email until now, but retirement is a far busier than working life. Only retirees will agree with me, I know! It was interesting to here your description of the base now; indeed, as you will see from my previous missives, the place was falling into disrepair even 14 months ago when we left. I just wanted to let you all know that, despite my pessimism (spelling?) earlier, it would appear that there may well be a final Party in the Park which should take place on 13 Jul 13, with a march through town the previous day. Some of the schools will be having open days as well around that period. I am awaiting a programme and so will let you all know in due course. Having missed the final SIB BFG function, I do not intend to miss this event, although how many I will still know is anyone's guess. If anyone else intends to go, I will be dressed in a lounge suit, bowler, branch tie and will be found in close proximity to the Herforder Pils tent. If you fail to find me there, mine's a pint and I will return just as soon as I have purchased a bratty and pommes. Watch this space. Best wishes to all, Martin

I am very interested in the comments relating to the demise of BAOR, having spent most of my formative years as an army brat, father Philip James Daniel was RMP from 1953 - 1978, he retired as WO1, served majority of service in BAOR (15 years) with 4 years + at JHQ,and many more at Bielefeld etc. I can not believe that the facility is being left like that after all those years, much of the housing and buildings still seem very serviceable, is it really the case that this size of facility is just effectively abandoned? I wonder just how many service personnel, dependants and civilians may have passed through this facility alone since inauguration in 1955.

I would appreciate any feedback, you or anyone would care to offer, I am currently in the process of writting about our families experiences with HMF, any info as to the fate of this or any other BAOR site would be appreciated.

Thanks for your interest Peter. I did not know your father, although I was serving with RMP (SIB) during the latter stages of his service. As for the former BAOR, now BFG, much of it has now 'drawndown' and has either been disbanded or returned to UK. 7 Bde, up in Hohne/Fallingbostel is next to go over the next year or two, with 20 Bde at Paderborn/Sennelager then turning off the lights, I believe in about 4 or 5 years. Some units from JHQ Rheindahlen were re-located to Bielefeld, or Gutersloh, and many were returned to UK.
As for JHQ, the closing ceremonies were in July 2013. I attended them. They comprised a Beating of the Retreat, a town parade in Monchengladbach and a Party in the Park which was fantastic with live entertainment fireworks and copious amount of beer, a huge quantity of which I consumed in true RMP style. The German community attended in droves.
The complex was vacated just before Xmas 2013 and has been handed over to the German authorities. Some 1500 married quarters, 3 churches, sports fields and 7 schools are slowly deteriorating. This doesn't take long, Hobart Bks, Detmold, was falling to bits just 4 years after being handed back in 1994. The problem with JHQ is that the drains were already in a deplorable condition, and the MQs do not meet German legal standards for occupancy. At this juncture, The German authorities do not intend to have the camp reoccupied. There is no shortage of housing in the MG area and the authorities do not want the site filled with refugees from other countries, as has happened with other closed barracks. They therefore intend to clear the site, which will take years. There is talk of a theme park and of opening the site occasionally for pop concerts etc. Much of this is pie in the sky.
If you have Sky TV, on a Friday evening at 1830 hrs, on Channel 212, the BFBS give the latest on Forces news. There is often a bulletin on the current state of affairs in BFG.
Hope that helps a little,
Best wishes Martin

Thank you for your prompt and interesting response regarding JHQ and BOAR.
I have recently aquired a copy of the publication " The British Army in Germany" (BAOR and after) Organisational History of BAOR, and I did not realise the full extent of the occupation of and subsequent withdrawal from German.
I was born there, (BMH Rinteln) as were many brats, many of the servicemen whom I have contacted regarding any service matters, nearly always view their time there with great affection, it is a shame that the evidence will soon be lost, to quote the old axiom, "old soldiers do not die they just fade away", as too, it would seem, any evidence of their activities in Germany. A great shame I wonder how many civvies knew what stopped them from having to learn Russian.

Thank you again for you response and being one of those who made a difference.

Kind Regards Peter J. Daniel

Many thanks Martin for the updates on the demise of old JHQ.

It was generally known, that the camp, which was built in 1952/3, only had a 30 - 40 year lifespan.

During my time as RQMS Garrison Housing, when we were renovating some of the quarters, 1986 - 90, we were told that they would never be used as civilian property, because they failed to meet modern German standards and the only thing that could be done with them would be demolition.

Interestingly, there is one listed building there called 'Haus Hellbach'. This is in the woods to the north of Antrim Drive and south of Queens Avenue. It was originally built as a hunting lodge in the late 19th or early 20th Century. It was converted into three flats for UK based civilians of officer status. As it came under married quarters, I visited there several times and recall that in addition to being very well constructed, there were a lot of interesting features. It was always said that Hermann Goering used it but I think that was a rather fanciful idea!

Hi Harry,
Yes, Haus Hellbach is of course still there and remains listed. As far as I know, it is the only building that is not being handed back to the Bund. Who it belongs to and what will become of it, I do not know. I doubt very much that Hermann Goering ever lived there though because prior to the building of the base in 1952, Haus Hellbach would have stood alone as a forestry lodge in the woods. However, Goering did indeed have various residences at some of the older military camps in Germany, particularly those with an airfield. He most definitely had a house in Hobart Bks (Fliegerhorst Kaserne), Detmold, which he occupied at various times during the war in his capacity as head of the Luftwaffe. This house, together with 3 other similar houses on the camp, were usually allocated to senior British officers until 1994 when the camp was vacated by our force. It was sad to see those magnificent houses deteriorate so quickly afterwards. Regards to all, Martin

Hello Martin, good to hear from you again.

It certainly takes me back talking about JHQ and all the bits and pieces there. Haus Hellbach, along with some other properties, came under various German agencies the full names of which now escape me. I recall one was called the BVA, Bundesvermougensampt, if I've spelt it correctly. A lot of records are or were held in Moenchengladbach and I recall PSA getting some drawings of our old HQ at 5 Bedford Walk from them when some alterations were needed.

There are also a number of private dwellings right on the camp perimeter, one or two on the road to RAF Hospital Wegberg and the others a bit closer near Grot Lake on the partly metalled road leading down to the old airstrip.

I expect I'm boring everyone with this! It seems to be the same when the military pull out of somewhere, no one knows what to do with the estate and kit gets disposed of in a rush. The chaps who were in Aden said no end of stuff was dumped when we left Aden in 1967/8.

Enough now - back to sleep!

Hi Harry and everyone,

I know the partly metalled road near Grot lake you are referring to: it is called Eichofweg and goes alongside the British Military Cemetary which,incidentally, will continue to be maintained by the War Graves Commission. As a quick aside, I have heard that a delegation visited JHQ a few days ago with a view to purchasing the site. They also viewed the former RAF Bruggen, now Javelin Bks and home to what is left of the Krefeld Sig Regts (7 & 16). Whilst JHQ is totally vacated, Javelin will remain open for another couple of years. Bye to all, Martin

Hi guys, sorry to hijack this site but im looking for anyone who might have served with my uncle here. His name was Raymond Brown and he was killed on the road outside the barracks in 1967. My parents have just come back from visiting his grave in the military cemetery and my mam is now wanting to find out what she can about her brother, he died when she was just 12 years old. He was seeing a German girl when he was killed but no one in the family ever knew who she was. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks.

Hi Julie, sorry to hear of that sad story.
You may not get any success on this site, but I might be able to point you in the right direction if you are able to give me his Regiment. That info should have been on his gravestone, but if not, the family will surely know. Give me that, and I should be able to help you further,

Kind regards,

Martin Allen

Hi Martin,

That would be excellent, any help is much appreciated. He was a Corporal in the Royal Army Ordanance Corps and his number was 23657596.

Many thanks, Julie

Hi Julie, thanks for the info. This site is exclusively for members of a particular unit & so I would be grateful if you could email the same info together with, if you can, his unit when he was serving in Rheindahlen. If this is not available, don't worry as I can direct you to a promising site(s). My email address is martinallen66@hotmail.com.
I look forward to hearing from you,
Best wishes,
Martin

I don,t know if you are interested, But there is a site called Queensway Club Survivors,
http://www.queenswayclubsurvivors.com/
It is a site with lots of photo's of Jhq back in the 60's, Mostley RAF, but
is run by an Army pal who married a WRAF girl, ( since deceased).There will soon be an upgrade to the site, and many photos, taken last year by two of us old guys, on a trip to see the closing ceremony.
It would be great if some of you could visit this, and also help sort out some questions, e.g. Where was the YMCA , as we are unsure after 50 odd years, I think over the swimming pool, others say near the NAAFI /, .
Do drop in and post ,
Rgaurds
Johnny

Many thanks Johnny, I will certainly take a gander!! I hope my old pal Harry Good is reading this as there is not much he doesn't know about JHQ and he may be able to answer your questions.
Regards
Martin

I started at JHQ in 1979 and the trouble is, things moved about over the years certainly from the 50s 60s. There was a bookshop opposite the main NAAFI in Oakham Way but I think this was the YWCA. I remember it was always called 'The Y Dub' short for YWCA.

Originally there were all sorts of clubs around the garrison, some moved, others closed and the premises were used for different purposes.

The swimming pool was called the 'Blue Pool' and had a bar over it but the whole lot was always referred to as just The Blue Pool or simply, The Pool.

I'll have a look at the site, meanwhile Peter Buckle may recall some names from his time in 3Det.

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