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Re: Sardinians

I was really expecting line infantry not Bersaglieri!
A bit bummed out by that.

Re: Sardinians

Wow! These sculpts are a really nice surprise. Great job Strelet's Team.

If I may say, I really like the top two poses - Bayonet thrusting overhead and waist high. I like the legs spread wide for action/balance and the rifle horizontal. They look really great to me for my tastes.

I can't wait to have them here in my home with my other boys. Of course all they ever do is fight each other.

Cheers and Job Well Done

Re: Sardinians

Dear Crimean War fans

Giorgio is right they are Sardinian Bersaglieri. Cadogan's Crimea has very good illustrations of Sardinian troops and these are the Bersaglieri:



What have they got got on their left hips? Surely not a bayonet that reaches almost down to the ankle. They were used as sharpshooters and skirmishers in the Crimea so the bayonet would have been rarely fixed and according to Cadogan's watercolours rarely carried even on a parade. Anyway it is pointless to comment on the figures as wysiwyg.
The line infantry had a CW style French kepi with a ball tuft(pom pom), db frock coat, trousers no gaiters and the pack was different (to the Bersaglieri) and they normally carried a Minie rifle (with bayonet) rather than the carbine(which Strelets have done reasonably accurately). The officers looked like ACW Union officers especially with the yellow stripes on the trousers. The Sardinian artillery and cavalry had a kepi similar to the line infantry.
David

Re: Sardinians

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Re: Sardinians

Can anyone shed some light on the attachment(?) on the lower butt of the carbine stock in the sculpts. I'm not familiar with this particular firearm.

Thanks

Russ

Sardinian's carbine

Dear Russ

I think it is the model 1844 Minie La Marmora or Bersaglieri carbine. Another view from the underside:



As they were sharpshooters like the Chasseurs à pied I presume the extension was to steady the shot.

Each Sardinian infantry brigade had a battalion of Bersaglieri.

The battle they were involved in, in the Crimean War, was Chernaya or Battaglia della Cernaia (Italian pronunciation of the Russian)for an Italian web search.

David

Re: Sardinian's carbine

Thanks David. I have to say that this is a new one for me.

I like the figures and will definitely find some place for them.

Russ

Re: Sardinian's carbine

Dear Russ

I was hoping an Italian forum visitor would respond. There must be somebody in an Italian military museum who knows definitely and maybe they have a photo of the weapon.
Some late 18th c/early 19th c Swiss crossbows and Swiss hunting carbines have similar additions to the stock. It could be an Alpine influence as the Bersaglieri were intended additionally to function as mountain troops as I believe the Alpinis were from 1872 onwards.
Bersaglieri had a lot of buglers/trumpeters (fanfara) as these were the only instruments allowed per unit as most functions were carried out on the trot or running. Strelets have included a figure with a trumpet on his back which is a nice touch. Some had a bandana under the hat which Strelets have also reproduced.

David

Re: Sardinian's carbine

Yes, I was thinking that as a spike (if that's what it is) it might help riflemen climbing in steep, rough, frozen terrain using the rifle as a staff/pick like you often see in pictures of mountain climbers.

Maybe someone will come along and set us straight.

Based on figures I'm more familiar with it seems that Strelets does a thorough job in researching uniforms and kit. These figures look great with a lot of action. Been thinkin' about some conversion possibilities.

Russ

Re: Sardinian's carbine

I can't be of any help but you can try to post your questions on the soldatinionline.it forum

Re: Sardinian's carbine

Hello guys,
I have four historical books about Bersaglieri (Bersaglieri, "From La Marmora to Commandos", CGE 1979) at home.
In the first volume there are several interesting illustrations of the Crimean War that could be interesting for you.
I will try to scan all and show you before the end of this week.
By the way, great work Strelets, Xорошо!
Roberto

rifle tools compartment

inside teh butt many were hollow they have tools to help teh weapon function.i think this is teh butt plate that is also teh cover for teh tool comppartement.

Many middle 20 century have these also.our main problem was these rattle and cause noise. not tactical as tehy say unless filled with wadding to pull weapon thru with a rod or string with metal weight on.

Re: Sardinian's carbine butt extension spike

looking at robertos foros , i then recall how different rifle size stocks for different size people .


i think it possible or pheasable ,it could be a butt extension. for taller guys.also teh fitting onto a standard size rifle could be used as a shanking tool in close quarter battle.Pretty crude but effective.
not all teh diagrams show teh rifle with this fitting etc..maybe its to help the soldier fire the weapon in teh shoulder , simply. Just as liek some soldiers mounted their own bipods on rifles in crude form.Soldiers have much time to develop a system that works for them in comfort and professionalism.bersaglieri were famed marksmen so i guess this is related pheasability.i am no expert but is just nice to discuss teh different oprtions from a factory produced model standard model. i think you find that these possibilities there is one probability is correct.

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