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Re: Turkish Uniforms 1854-6 a slightly different angle

artiste Remy painted some nice series of illustrations of Turkish army in white with baggy white pants 1859(supplied from Uwe).The unifrom was obviously already in use.

I AM THINKING PERHAPS TEH FAWN BROWN JACKET of cavalrie and artillerie IS MISTAKEN FOR WHITE ? Colors described in century 19 are not teh same as they are described in modern times.

Also if we have cavalrie in sieges we could be seeing them in dismounted action,at silistra etc where the carabiniers mentioned is another oblique we have to consider from the artwork.Facinating, i despise our predessing enthusiats ancestors for nnot safeguarding historical records better.shame on them shame on teh people who let teh libraries of alexandria burn down,so much history has been lost is catastrophique crime.

Re: Turkish Uniforms 1854-6 a slightly different angle

Dear Hank

When you look at the amount of issued clothes per man they must have washed them a lot. Two pairs of drawers - one to wear and one to wash. The blue dye would have run into the whites in the wash. Nothing wrong in painting the figures in fresh from the loom colours but the reality was probably a lot different.

Descriptions of colours in words always fall short. Fawn is a good one - very much the stuff of police descriptions; he was wearing a fawn coat. Jersey cattle and Chihuahuas have fawn colouring. Fawn, Fallow, Camel, Tan are similar browns I am not sure where one finishes and the other starts. Sounds like a good camouflage colour for desert regions. Fawn would be Mocha Latte in 21st cent lingo.

David

Re: Turkish Uniforms 1854-6 a slightly different angle

Hi Professori,yes that is a reason that i looked deeper into uniforms following into teh Feshane ottoman/Turkish uniform factory story and superbe book book i mentioned in other threads.

it is important to trace these manufacturers back/down to collect data.Interesting to see soem of the relic clothes still in good condition after many years in museums etc.i think then there was more stitches per square inch than we see in modern clothing days.it truly coems in the total war and scientific development brackets, tht sustains an army in the field in comparative comfirt.

how many of you ex modern militaire had your camouflages suits fade in theh wash especially desert ad jungle theatres clothing. mmmh is a similar issue as in the 1850's etc.russia seems to always do well with their clothing as much captured equipment became ottoman issue(back pack especially copied etc)

war clothing is as important as war weapons.both need to come togther as a system for teh soldier to utilise with maximum effect and comfort factors yes.
always local purchase is /was an option.Wallachia and Djobra winter industry was weaving.as soon as available translations are available we wil know more of each country and the composition of teh fighyting men.

i likew to know where the steel came from the sulphate teh brass teh wool the factory the mine and see how it develpoed.The french napoleonic studies are sure taking it to these extremes which should be a template for all other military eras.a top down history made available to the publics ideal but things are lost , companies go bust etc.lose contracts etc records get lost is bad news for historians.

have fun lets look for more.

MR ROWLAND= Ottoman organization 1843-1853

1843 army reform began and 1848 executed so in 1853

1St ARMY/ORDU BLUE JACKET artillery & cavalrie Imperial Gyard Constanpinople hq
7 infantry regiments/alays (of 3 btns each)
4 light infantry regiments (talles)
5 cavalrie regiments (6 squadrons each 2 carabiniers 4 lance each)
1 artillerie regiment (11 companies of 6 guns and 1 company of 4 mountain gun)

2nd army/ORDU red jacket/artillery & cavalrie Scutari hq
6 infantry regiments
6 light infantry regiments
4 cavalrie regiments
1 artillerie regiment

3RD ARMY/ORDU.PURPLE JACKET artillery & cavalrie Roumelia/Monastir hq
7 infantry regiments
4 light infantry regiments
5 cavalrie regiments
plus 1 kossacken regiment 1 dragoon regiment
1 artillerie regiment

4TH ARMY/ORDU artillery and cavalrie BROWN JACKET Anatolia/Kharpout hq
6 infantry regiments
6 light infantry regiments
4 cavalrie regiments
1 artillerie regiment

5TH ARMY/ORDU LIGHT FAWN artillery and cavalrie JACKET Arabia/ Damascus hq
6 infantry regiments
6 light infantry regiments
4 cavalrie regiments
1 artillerie regiment

---- added new
6TH ARMY/ORDU LIGHT BLUE JACKET Mesopotamia/Baghdad hq

4 infantry regiments
4 light infantry regiments
2 cavalrie regiments
1 artillerie regiment

does not include egyptian army/tunisian army etc