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Re: Squares Update

As always outstanding, curious I have only known the 40th as the Somersets , they later became the 13th prince Alberts light infantry , but never previously seen them referred to as "south" Somersets, where have you got that from ?

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There you go Alan:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40th_(the_2nd_Somersetshire)_Regiment_of_Foot

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Thank you, I may have missed it, but still can find no reference to "south" Somersets, it was the 1st Battalion that served at waterloo , the Somersets are the family regiment , my Dad`s Dad being the last to serve during WW1 but he had the good fortune to sent to India to serve with the battalion there and through no fault of his dodged the trenches. The Wiki post seems to be missing lots and may in fact have inaccuracies , but I am not inclined to pick it to bits. My Dad (92 and counting) has copies of the regimental history I bought his as a birthday present many years ago, and if we can find them easily I may do some fact checking on that Wiki post.

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what a splendid sight, take my hat off to you and your helpers, this project just gets better with every post, really looking forward to seeing the completed work

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Many thanks all! Alan, I think you may be getting confused between regiments. The 40th were amalgamated under the Childers Reforms to become the South Lancashire Regiment. Was your family connected to the Somerset Light Infantry?

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Yes, the Somerset light infantry, now my understanding was/is the 40th were the Somersets, and at a review, whilst Wellington was prime minister they became the 13th foot, moving up in seniority no doubt in some part because they were with Wellington in every battle he fought against the French. After the first Afghan war that became Prince Alberts 13th Somerset light infantry (being the only unit to distinguish itself in that war) , those connected to the 13th were very proud of that fact too. Now I would never rule out being wrong, but the Regimental museum is here in Taunton, and I have been a regular visitor over the years. They have some truly impressive diorama`s of the regiments most famous actions , including Waterloo, Kabul and Kambula during the Zulu war, as well as some from both world wars. Everything I have read leads me to be quite confident, the Wiki article as I said earlier looks suspect .

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As it happens, my very first job forty years ago was working for 6Bn The Light Infantry, (The Somerset LI) by then a TA unit based in Bath…. It was sister unit of the one in Taunton

I believe now even that has gone and all collapsed into ‘The Rifles’? I may be wrong.

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Quite correct , there is still a Company sized unit, called the Somersets within the rifles.

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Alan, You sound much more of an expert than me and it may be that the National Army Museum have this wrong, but they describe the 40th as being amalgamated with the 82nd to form the South Lancs. See their webpage on this here:https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/40th-2nd-somersetshire-regiment-foot#:~:text=This%20infantry%20unit%20was%20formed,Volunteers%20(South%20Lancashire%20Regiment).

According to the National Army Museum, the 13th Foot was a different regiment (designated Light Infantry after the Napoleonic Wars and later titled the Somerset Light Infantry). The 13th wasn't at Waterloo (being in Canada). It wasn't amalgamated under Childers but was amalgamated with the Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry in 1959, later becoming part of the Light Infantry and then part of the Rifles. See here for the separate webpage:https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/somerset-light-infantry-prince-alberts.

The twists and turns of individual regimental histories is terribly confusing so I could easily be wrong!

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Another source is the Wiki page on the Childers reforms which shows that the 13th and 40th were different regiments and never amalgamated:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childers_Reforms

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Since reading your posts above I have speed read lots and must confess, my memory/recall has been at least in part at fault, but it is interesting that different source material seem to have some information at least confusing erring to incorrect eg Mark Adkin and others refer to 1/40 in the Waterloo companion, you refer to them as 2/40 , other sources ,Somersets 1/13 and second battalion of Somerset's as 2/40. I will when time allows to re read my learning because there is information I have read in the distant past I cannot lay my hands on/remember the source.

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I don't blame you Alan and I'm sure I can think of one mistake by me, namely to call them 'South' Somersets - not sure where I got that from!

The main point is that there were two Somerset regiments - the 13th and 40th, one of which had the subsidiary name '1st Somersets' and the other '2nd Somersets'; this could easily confuse the reader into believing that this was a battalion rather than regimental number.

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The two regiments has thrown me, because there is a third, not linked to Waterloo or the Napoleonic to my knowledge , my other granddad served in WW1 with...the Somerset yeomanry a territorial cavalry unit. Back to the subject Ian Fletcher in Wellingtons Regiments refers to them as 2/40 ,so we have two respected authors on the subject not agreeing. It is a long time ago I read all I could lay my hands on regarding Waterloo , Wellington ,Napoleon etc, but for my own clarity I am planning another trip to the museum and to ask some questions, assuming they have someone there not using the same source material as us ;-) .

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The 40th (2nd Somersets) had a second battalion for a while but it was disbanded. It was the 1st Battalion at Waterloo. You might therefore say they were the 1st/2nd/40th!

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sommilmuseum.org.uk/somerset-lightinfantry/ a bit more clarity.