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Again great masters.
For the Russian Jagers I'd suggest to keep the bayonets as mentioned above.
Not knowing what other poses will compose that box(will it it be a firing box or a more comprehensive one), it can become very versatile and so deserve the bayonet to be fixed.
Team Strelets, don't forget my question about the Russian infantry in greatcoats marching as it is very fresh outside now.
Kind regards 😁
If there are any Napoleonic troops that can be produced without bayonets, they are Jaeger. I agree that some poses, for example charging poses, would need a (sword)bayonet to compensate for the shorter rifles, but Jaeger or other light troops firing don't really need a mounted bayonet. Thank you Strelets for these guys.
P.s. I do like the Italians as well.
Great figures once again in fact one of the best reveals for me i will be buying all of these with out a doubt.
thanks for the pics Mr Strelets.:joy:
Very nice figures! Good to see more Russian Jager sculpts, and the Italians look good too.
Just one request, as others have already said: Please ensure that any future Napoleonic Russian Line infantry have fixed bayonets, whatever they are doing - in defence, in attack, firing line etc. A fixed bayonet is as much part of a Russian Napoleonic infantryman as his Kiver shako.
Have a good weekend:slightly_smiling_face:
Wonderful ww2 North Africa figures, but the missing bayonets on the Naps again is difficult to understand they are much easier removed than added if we wanted them that way.
Some more Russian Jagers...excellent!!
For jagers/riflemen, I am a little more relaxed about not having bayonets attached. While any poses in hand to hand or charging should indeed have them fixed, if the poses are those suitable for the act of skirmishing, then not having a bayonet isn't so important.
Yes any future Napoleonic line infantry should have bayonets fixed no matter what they are doing, & allow the customer to make up their own mind.
As a side note, if you ever decide to do British Light Infantry (redcoated), then these too should have bayonets fixed as per the line. They weren't light troops in the same style as jagers.
What has caught my attention again, is these muskets still look a bit short. Are they supposed to be more like a Baker rifle?? No idea if they were armed with such weapons or a Russian equivalent. If they are meant to be muskets then we do still need the sculptor to remedy this. Its a problem thats affected all the musket armed men of late.
However I still look forward to buying these Russian Jagers if the other poses are good!
Dont forget the British Line & Brunswickers in square though!!!! :innocent:
There were only a few specialist "light" troops in the armies of the Napoleonic period. The British and KGL Rifle battalions, Prussian and Austrian Jaegers and the Brunswick Avantgarde come to mind. As Roger said, other "light" infantry was mostly used in the same way as normal Line infantry, maybe the number of good shooters was a bit higher.
Judging by their numbers Russian Jaegers seem to be similar to the French Line Chasseurs. And I suppose that they were used in a similar fashion (but not sure). They certainly saw a lot of action in defending villages, woods etc. which makes sense.
For more information see
Thers's a lot of excellent information on that site regarding Russian infantry equipment and tatcics, the use of skirmishers and jaegers etc.
As to the use of rifles in Russian jaeger regiments: "In June 1808 however the rifle was withdrawn and used only by NCOs and 12 marksmen in each jager company" (ibid.)
As the Russian Army of the period used a large variety of muskets (some produced in Russia, some captured from the French and others bought from Britain), I'm fine with the musket. Muskets without a bayonet attached are ok. for skirmishers, just adding them to the sculpt makes them a lot more versatile (for instance for Jaeger regiment in square).
Thanks for the info links Flambeau! I will find them very useful.
Agreed about bayonets, I would prefer to see them too, but I just meant that its a mistake that someone can overlook a bit more for jager type figures, rather than line sets such as the British firing one where it was unforgivable to me.
Interesting about the muskets/rifles. Whether its the shape or length, there is just something strange about them compared to the men!!
Having just looked at some pictures quickly, I think what seems to make them look odd is there is a strange taper at the trigger end & the ramrod is missing at the muzzle end. Normally we see the musket ends with this so as not to make the muzzle stand as proud as much. As for the taper, the real muskets seem to have a more sleek look, whereas these have a exaggerated taper at the trigger end. Perhaps it is these issues that are making the muskets look too short....although many so far have been.
I know it's churlish to complain, but I agree about the musket shape. It's just wrong. And what about barrel bands? The lock looks odd too. And shouldn't the left hand be further down the barrel (especially the kneeling guy)?
Like I said, I can see that complaining is ungrateful, but it would be a pity to spoil decent figures if it is not too late to fix it.
Wow, I love these jaegers which were missed so long, somethimes announced, but never produced. There are really wonderful sculptures with or without bayonet!
Any chance to receive an information on the next WSS-sets? Hope we haven´t to wait again, because the drawings of the boxes need very much time. I personally don´t need great art works as covers when they are causing quite long delays. They are simply covers....
Too good masters...I like so much the italians then russian jaegers. Every time better.
Oh I love all these wwii Italians coming! BUT, the Fiat Revelli modell 1914 machine gun was not belt fed. It had a box of several strips, so the belt feeder is again not correct for this MG at least. The Fiat modell 1935 was belt fed, but it did not have the water cooling shroud around the barrel.
'Just' paintings, but Adam was an eyewitness who made sketches at the time. Interesting to study in many respects, not least to note how the French/Italian troops are standing while firing.
On a related note, I am currently working through Boycott-Brown's "Road to Rivoli" (and other works) to extract details for scenarios for 1796-7. The Austrians deployed grenz ahead of their line troops all the time (not to mention quite often being in a less formed state in general due to the nature of the terrain).
While their accuracy is always a cause for concern, what with it being artwork, these are nontheless some wonderful paintings.
Interesting looking at the skirmish going on in the top picture.
The 2 men knelt behind the caisson & the men in the undergrowth/bushes are how I would expect a volitigeur/Jager to operate.....providing such cover exists of course.
The stance of some of the French/Italians stood in the open does however look suspect, with some odd twists of torso to how they are standing. How that would affect the balance when using a musket I'm not sure but I can't imagine it helping.
What does look undeniable is there are clearly bayonets fixed.
But as paintings taken at face value, they are really wonderful pieces.
I'm looking at a loose firing line there with the standing soldiers in the 'rear rank' taking half a step to the side to clear their file partner (the man in front) when they fire. Exactly they way they were trained to do. Looks kind of awkward from this angle, but it really isn't when viewed from the front. http://bowlesfamilyhistory.ca/images/NewModelPoster-JohnBowles_small.jpg
I figured that was what the intention was from the artist. As you say, a loose file with some standing off from their partner so as not to commit "friendly fire"!
Just seems some of the men are contorted in some odd angles when looking at their torso to their legs. May just of been the artists style.
Probably is his style when I see he has made the mistake of making some of his horses have the bizarre gait of having both front legs outstretched & both rear legs outstretched at the same time!! An equine version of the splits!! Whereas he is clearly trying to illustrate the horse galloping.
Thank you STRELETS for these very good masters, once again!
Could you Please keep the Bayonet on the rifles of these very good looking Russians?
That would be fantastic.
And other poses protecting from cavalry charges.
This is the representation of the Battle of Smolensk that I was trying to find online. It's reproduced in one of Michael Glover's books that I have. Highly stylised but a great representation of the opposing skirmish lines and other formations. Just like Albrecht Adam's paintings, the French are shown deployed in their lines of attack. I like the large, Russian regimental square too.
Roger, you'll appreciate the level of training of the lancers' horses to get them to gallop with such wonderful parade-ground symmetry!
😂 yes those are some very interesting horses he has done there!!!! Oh dear!!!
Its certainly a very busy painting, but the style is not my cup of tea. I much prefer the style of the previous examples. Ok maybe they had some odd horses galloping too, & some men twisted in some strange poses, but the overall way he has carried out the painting is more pleasing.
It’s definitely nice to see those Russians. Although the muskets are a little on the chubby and short side as mentioned previously. AndI would also like to see a bayonet. The kneeling figures back foot is a little flat too which must be quite uncomfortable.
I just hope the Austrian jaegers will see the light of day also along with some Hungarian troops in action. Also firing lines for all the current released nationalities.
I would also have liked to see that polish artillery set. Maybe one day fingers crossed.
Good choice for the Italians...even if i'm not a great fan of so many steel helmets and shorts in N. Africa and, obviously, East africa...except maybe during the last period such as the Tunisia Campaign..the sculpting and choice of poses is very good...but, above all, the inclusion of a FIAT early type, water-cooled HMG, even if not the most appropriate MG for Western Desert Italians, would be extremely useful for easy conversions (mostly head swaps a some putty) for WW1 Italians, Eritrean and Lybian Askaris, Bersaglieri and Alpini for both World Wars..and, probably, with some minor putty additions and head swaps also for Lybia 1912. Generic or easy convertible Italian artillery crews bodies are also in need..