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1st/11th Prussian Line

One of the pleasures I get from my Waterloo in 20mm project is acting as a bridge between the vintage 20mm figures of the 1960s and 70s and the current makes on offer, such as Strelets. Modern figures lend themselves to more dynamic poses, but there is something about the older figures which looks good en masse.

It has been said that my scenes of Plancenoit and Hougoumont show too much skirmish action and not enough of what we expect of the Napoleonic era, namely troops in close order. My view is that the troops on both sides were held in formation outside the village right up to the point that the close nature of the village made it impossible. There is evidence that they were fed in by platoons.

I've been working on a Hinton Hunt battalion, albeit reinforced with some Lammings and Kriegspeilers. They work quite well together, especially on the gentle slope leading into Plancenoit from the east.

There are about 540 figures in this battalion - the 1st/11th Prussian Line - it was quite a job getting them ready!





















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Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

Most impressive! Great work!

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Fantastic work General!! Thats a lot of metal on that table!!

As for people complaining about showing too much skirmish action around Hougoumont and Plancenoit.....ignore them!!!
Yeah im sure the troops did advance towards both these areas in their usual formed up style, but eventually the woodland, streets and other various obsticles would of made that practically impossible. So some sort of loose file/skirmish order would of existed......unless Prince Jerome forced his troops to march face first into a tree trunk or Blucher wanted his men to face plant into brick walls!!!

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This battalion looks superb !:+1:

As you state, the figures from the 'early days' of the hobby do have the characteristic of looking good en masse. I used to marvel at pictures of the late Peter Gilder's collection of Hinchcliffe 25mms, and these Hinton Hunt figures are very much from the same era. Despite all that has happened since, the older figures retain a character and often a surprisingly high quality. All quite nostalgic.

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

General Picton, Sire,

as I can see, is Colonel von Funck now sending his 14th Brigade into battle.
I think I'm seeing his 11th regiment. But shouldn't they carry a light blue flag?

Well, im an old man...my eyes and my telescope are no longer very reliable.
Could someone with younger eyes take a look at this ?

Or is it because tears run from my eyes when I watch this great scene.
:joy: :cry:

Anyone who has ever painted an entire regiment of 1:72 soldiers (480 men) can imagine what we are seeing here. :+1:

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

Well, (480) in my case about 20 weeks.
I'm full of admiration of what's been achieved here
It's time I went back to the Leeds Armouries and had another look at these larger Battlesets.
It's all very humbling...

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Hi Paul, dont see it that way...
Many of us have painted figures for years and collected them in the wardrobe. And at some point the time comes when the battalions and regiments simply have to get out onto a diorama... You will also do such a "big project" sometimes... I'm pretty sure :wink:

In addition, the general also has his adjutants who support him greatly in his work. :guardsman: :construction_worker: :hammer_and_pick: :construction_worker: :guardsman:

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Ah, a wardrobe full of painted figures....

I have half a garage full of half-painted figures. The problem is finishing them all!:grinning:

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Yes...that is the other luxury problem... :smile: :laughing:

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Gerd
I store them in the attic, (like Dorian Gray) it's a good job their plastic and weigh relatively little.
It's true I have only been painting for six years however I did collect the Airfix boys in the 60's.
However images of Raquel Welch put a stop to that. So now its painting soldiers although I am not sure why. Except it's a super hobby and I can come on the forum and gape at the breadth of knowledge and skill that's there.

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

Dear Gerd, have I got the flag wrong? happy to change if so!

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

Hello,

your flag is so wonderful painted, that you should not change it.:heart_eyes:

Im a "peanuts-Counter"...just ignore me.. :smiling_imp:

Great work, wonderful diorama...and i love it !!!

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

Dear General Picton

The flag of the 11th (probably) was light blue (identical for both battalions)

http://centjours.mont-saint-jean.com/detail_uniformes_unitePR.php?nom=1er%20Bataillon%20du%2011%C3%A8me%20R%C3%A9giment%20d%27Infanterie%20de%20Ligne&rubrique=U&uniformes=44&drapeau=

the colour sky blue is also mentioned by Haythornthwaite (Uniforms of Waterloo). Some producers of 20mm flags have the flag in a darker blue colour (such as the old Rofur-Flags) perhaps that's the source of the confusion. Might warrant some more research.

Best regards and have fun

Flambeau


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Thanks Flambeau, I wet with this website: http://warflag.com/napflags/flaghtml/pr1808_3.htm

I do find that most painters have a strong urge to lighten up Napoleonic colours which were often much darker than shown on figures. People obviously like to accentuate light, but for instance the British blue used on frock coats and Gunner jackets was so dark as almost to appear black. And even the famous French 1st and 5th Hussars light blue was quite a lot darker in reality.

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Dear General Picton,

Warflag is a good site for sure. As for the colours the exact interpretation of the shade is always a bit conjectural and with regard to the 11th I know as much as anybody else viz. what can be found in books or on the web.
Do you know the book by Rolf Fuhrmann "Die Flaggen von Waterloo"? I don't have a copy, but he did a lot of research into the subject.
As to miniatures painting I have on occasion worked wuth some guys who did big scale (30.000 + figures) dioramas and from experience they concluded that when working on big models it's best to use brighter colours than the real thing, simply because when viewed from a distance the colours tend to blur into eachother and things easily become dark and dull. So Prussians and French when viewed from a distance look almost black. Brighter colours work better as things stay more distinguishable.

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Thanks Flambeau, you are absolutely right that people paint their figures to make them stand out. I'm less sure that the really bright colours reflect the reality. I'm guilty of this to some extent - not much mud on my soldiers' white trousers!

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If you go with the "original" colours, say French or Prussian blue, you'll get the same effect that happened in reality at Waterloo and Ligny. When D'Erlon's and Bülow troops first appeared on the battlefield they threw friend and foe into confusion as from a distance their nationality could not be discerned. For some time Napoleon didn't know if D'Erlon's troops were French or Prussian and whether Bülows were Grouchy's or enemies. That's realism, but you may not want this much realism in a diorama, but rather keep the troops a little more discernable for the spectators. Details like dirty trousers actually don't matter for the more distant objects. If you paint them nevertheless it's for your own pleasure and the artistic expectation you have as painter, but unless a viewer is bringing opera glasses he or she won't see much detail of the more remote objects.
The problems come once you start taking pictures of your work, because then of course details again matter very much and bright colours suddenly may look rather too bright. So you have to decide what's more important.

Re: 1st/11th Prussian Line

You summarise the challenge nicely!