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Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

I consider this post to be in the spirit of something like Plato's The Republic. Not really something I am counting on actually happening and certainly would not prevent myself from collecting, but it is comforting at least to myself to have an ideal goal.

- Yea, all of those sets rate very highly on my charts too. In fact the core of my collection is Zvezda's Vikings and STRM001-004 from the 1066 line. I did notice the Revell sets too and have owned them before, as they form a very satisfying musketeer formation and are also useful in sieges. I only dumped them the first time because of lack of pike support, but should have kept them around.

- I really feel sorry for the poor horse! :joy: Poor thing was armoured, had an armoured man sitting on top of him, and on top of it had to listen to all of that loud racket. But command and control elements are highly emphasized in my gaming system (blocks which have no musicians cannot communicate with other blocks with one or two exceptions, such as Sengoku Jidai banners), so in an ideal world I would prefer not to have to pay 10-20 EUR every time I need one musician. That said, I think the guy from Zvezda's Republican Roman Cavalry is SUPER popular with everyone in his era! :smile:

Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

Ideal goal? Why not. Platonic? Maybe.....

Here's the simplest conversion 'trick' I can offer for any units that are without means of communicating...

Take a suitable figure, say a swordsman/spearman not actually in combat but standing. Carefully remove their sword/spear. Then, take a length of round, hard sprue and heat gently over a flame - a candle is ideal. Stretch a little and the result is a piece of sprue which is thinner in the centre than at the ends. You have 'made' two straight horns/trumpets....simply take the sprue length and cut the two cone shapes the stretching has formed to the lengths that you want. You have the option of straight trumpets or, with a little bending, curved horns. Glue to the empty hand of the ex-swordsman/spearman and give him some trumpet lessons. Done.

This expedient takes very little time and gives you two trumpets or horns, enough for two units in your game system to 'talk' to each other. Communication was never simpler.

Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

Sounds like a decent expedient when needed. Thanks for the info! :sunglasses:

Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

"... the old Italeri Persian Infantry and Cavalry (+ chariot) sets."

Originally, these were Zvezda sets

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=384
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=517

Honour to whom honour is due.


"This thing about musicians ??: Have you ever tried making music when in full Cataphract armour? All that rattling metal is surely a substitute."

Well, the Parthians (and Sasanians) used to beat large drums during battle. Probably not the cataphracts (nor the archers) themselves (they had other things to do), but professional musicians who most likely were only slightly armoured or unarmoured and positioned at a secure place during the fight. They just delivered the sound to spur their own and intimidate the enemy. Parthians and Sasanians also used horns and trumpets. As a matter of fact, I remember a photocopy showing an ancient (and I mean ancient - 1st c. BC, or AD, or so) figurine of a Parthian cataphract blowing a horn (ram horn, or so), I've got it somewhere. Will scan and post it when I find it ...

:relaxed:

Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

Handlewithcare
"... the old Italeri Persian Infantry and Cavalry (+ chariot) sets."

Originally, these were Zvezda sets

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=384
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=517

Honour to whom honour is due.


"This thing about musicians ??: Have you ever tried making music when in full Cataphract armour? All that rattling metal is surely a substitute."

Well, the Parthians (and Sasanians) used to beat large drums during battle. Probably not the cataphracts (nor the archers) themselves (they had other things to do), but professional musicians who most likely were only slightly armoured or unarmoured and positioned at a secure place during the fight. They just delivered the sound to spur their own and intimidate the enemy. Parthians and Sasanians also used horns and trumpets. As a matter of fact, I remember a photocopy showing an ancient (and I mean ancient - 1st c. BC, or AD, or so) figurine of a Parthian cataphract blowing a horn (ram horn, or so), I've got it somewhere. Will scan and post it when I find it ...

:relaxed:
Thank you!

Yes, I'm afraid that the reference to 'rattling metal' was not entirely serious. But the reality of facing heavily armoured cavalry carrying long spears and backed by the sound of drums, horns and trumpets must have been daunting indeed.:relaxed:

Re: My Perfect Pre-1783 AD Set

Yea I remember those HaT sets! You would know better than me, but those sets seemed very well organized for me. To be honest if I went for Nappys those would still be high on my list for acquisition, although the new ones standing at attention from Strelets are super nice too.

Just as an edit, STRM049 Praetorian Cohort is actually pretty much a perfect Before Battle set. 44 before battle legionaries with command. So 1 of 663, which is better than none!