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"I know it's not Friday yet, and I know that many on this Forum are not collecting the WoSS (and would rather have troops, camels etc for the desert: apologies to them)..but...."
😂 and some of us (like me!) Who would like more Napoleonic sets!! Especially for Waterloo!!!
However while i may not be interested in the WoSS, there are those who are and if its their turn, fair enough! I can also appreciate the sculpting and poses. What it does do is act as a continual advertisment as to the quality of the company, making you wish and hope that maybe one day, sets you really want get the same treatment.
Whether that be LRDG or other specialist WW2 sets or as in my case, stuff like Waterloo British in square (already highlanders out there but no regular line). Making squares out of other sets can become expensive due to lack of variety or complete lack of kneeling poses. Same treatment for the Brunswicks, Nassau, Hannoverians etc. British Light infantry (Hat set not the best really). Netherlands cavalry especially the heavies.
But if making more sets of WoSS means more money Strelets can invest in making sets i might want in future, carry on!!!
Yes it is suprising. Strelets could continue doing sets not done by others by doing a "in square" range.
Brunswick, Netherlands, Nassau & Hannoverian units too shouldnt be forgotten as they too played their part in the 100 days.
So if continuing the WoSS means more money for Strelets to potentially make these sets in future, or LRDG etc for those who are interested in WW2, then thats fine by me and am happy to wait......not too long though hopefully!!!
Yes some French cavalry would be logical, line or Maison du Roi.
I still also miss a kneeling firing fusilier. Maybe some kind of "Fusiliers in defence, with kneeling firing and hand to hand combat poses, in order to compliment the existing fusiliers set?
Then maybe French artillery, with those three barrelled specialties known from Ramillies? If artillery otherwise seems already covered by the excellent two sets by Zvezda I mean.
Though the WOSS is not my favourite war period, I still appreciate these fine models and will buy them, also to ensure Strelets continues to be financially successful. However, I also wish that one day we see the Hanover etc sets important during the 100 days.
Not really a directly related question to the thread, but what did you guys think of the HaT British Peninsular War infantry set (#8186)? It looks nice to me based off the PSR pictures, but have not owned a Napoleonic set for twenty years so curious what the overall opinion on them is.
A great set. Hadn't realised they re-released in a better plastic
Thank god for that. To say i was less than impressed when my French Caissons turned into little fragments after only 6-7 months, would be a big understatement!! Especially as they were some of the best paintjobs i had done!! Nothing worse and gut wrenching then seeing all that time and effort crumble in your fingertips.
Thanks for the insights! Yea I can sympathize with your feelings on some of HaT's offerings; always want to like them because they offer so many sets (particularly for a primary ancient/medieval collection) but with their infantry I find there is usually some nagging issue about them that bothers me (like the aforementioned plastic quality on some of them). I have the opposite experience with Strelets, as there is usually some sort of minor historical accuracy issue with them that I think is going to be a problem but I actually end up loving the set in the end.
The topic of this post was new WSS sets or I am wrong?
So I will renew again that a WSS range without austrians, bavarians and dutch will been only a fragment with many missing pieces. Some troops can been created with small changes of existing figures, but many others not.
One set of each proposal with marching, advancing, shooting and loading figures would been very fine.
Cavalry: resting, advancing and attacking poses.
And please only one NCO, but 2 drummers in every infantry set.
1) austrian grenadiers, hungarian hussars
- the austrian cuirassiers can been created with the Waterloo Cromwell set
2) bavarian grenadiers + grenadiers a cheval
3) dutch infantry
Only 5 sets who will close the gaps and will find certainly many, many buyers....
The WSS wasn´t only a french-english war, it was a war of a huge coalition against France!
If Strelets were limiting the output of future WoSS sets to just 5 new sets - that is, not ones that we have so far seen master figures for - I wonder what a poll would show in terms of popularity, and which sets would actually be made?
Having released two musketeer sets (one good, one much less good) and one pikeman set coming soon (but not really needed at all), it would be good if the 'remaining five sets' could be genuinely useful and accurate ones.
Sets which model just a limited number of unit(s) in the armies of the time have a limited appeal to me. I think it is more important to have troop types which can be used for many units and have good conversion potential as well.
There is good scope for one or two additional infantry sets, these with flintlocks, not matchlocks! And one or both of these could be modelled as Dutch/Austrians, with a different style of hat (more broadbrimmed, not quite so 'tricorne'). This would look 'right' for the earlier part of the WoSS, and would have other uses as well (late 17th century).
The Bavarian/Austrian grenadier is primarily a question of headgear, but why not include 8 such figures in a box of 44 as done with the English/British infantry sets.
A good set of generic cavalry (French line preferably) with firearms more evident than swords is essential in my view. Ditto, a set of dragoons, including some on foot.
Bavarian/Austrian cuirassiers can be converted it is true. The Waterloo 1815 'Cromwell' set provides heads/helmets but does not have much else to commend it; the poses and horses are poor. I am planning to make Bavarian cuirassiers using old Strelets Swedish cavalry (with breastplates), Cromwell's cavalry heads and (probably) Italeri Prussian Napoleonic cuirassier horses with milliput pistol holsters and horse furniture. But it would be helpful to have some confirmation from Strelets that they are definitely not making these soldiers before I embark on this awkward project!!
Early 18th century Hussars would be exotic, and could be very useful for other later C18th armies as well.
So...my vote: Two more good infantry sets. Two mounted sets (French cavalry; and dragoons). One 'extra' set, Cuirassiers or hussars. Five sets in total.
Just a tip for those people, which are interested in the WoSS:
Next sets. I think to model the wider war, there are a couple of troop types which could be used for many nations. Just as suspect many of the 'British' and 'French' are ending up in other armies
Heavy Horse (French Line but sure would be close enough for others)
Command - mounted generals - they often wore whatever they fancied although some specific personality figures would certainly be nice
Grenadiers with the early bearskin - used by some French, Spanish, Imperialist units
Armoured Kuirassiers (with lobster pot helmets) used by the Imperialists, Bavarians and Danes - I ve tried Waterloo's Cromwell set but the horses and firing into each other poses dont sit right. Walking or trotting horses please
Mounted / dismounted Dragons with the Stocking hats
Garde Francais infantry - in all their glory which would also do for the similar Spanish Guards
Infantry in the ealier wide brimmed hats, still in use at the start of the war in Dutch, French and Saxon armies and no doubt others?
Its a fantastic range and I look forward to whatever comes next
PS the HaT Penisular British set is excellent
It is a pity that Strelets has wasted 3 of its precious WoSS slots with the unhistorical and inaccurate musketeers and pikemen. A waste of sculpting talent, too.
Let's try to get a reasonably comprehensive British v. French before moving on to other nations.
Sorry, that I can´t share some positions....
I am interested personally neither in generic troops neither in endless new french or british troops.
Reason 1 - really my very own criteria
Before Strelets has begun its wonderful WSS range, I had already invested much time in conversions of the generic figures of Warlords Black Powder sets, which afford many studies and still more hard time-consuming uniform- and hat-transformations.
I won´t do it again with more troops in 1/72!
None of the big land-battles in Europe of the WSS was fought only with british and french troops.
The british contingent of land-forces was quite limited in Europe and need always other alliance-troops
So no battle can be historical acurate refight only with french and british troops - so neither war-gamers, neither diorama-builders would been happy with only these nations....
And austrian troops participated on far more battles than the british! A WSS-range without them will been only a very amputated torso or a sad glimpse of WSS
I can share most of the wishes for ordinary troops, but not to have more and more very special and very limited regiments who wore uniforms which were often also changing during the war and so are useful only for some battles: Example: Royal Scots/Northern British Greys
I share too Minuteman´s idea of combined fusilier and grenadier-sets in ratio 6:3 with one NCO-figure and 2 drummers which pleased certainly more war-gamers
I appreciate very much Strelets richness of poses and passed production, but confronted with the consequence not to receive other belligrents from Strelets I would like to prefer only one set of a national infantry than 3 or more from the same kind.
at last only an idea:
1 civilian-figure in every foot-troop set will been fantastic in regard that all armies of this period had still a big amount of civilians in their ranks and supply-train
all my 3 figure-suppliers have confirmed me that all WSS-sets had very good sales figures and already 2 or more shopkeeper-orders and actually quite limited stocks - only the set 234 less sales
I said "first" not only. I'd like to be able to finish each army I start.
Not all nations warrant dedicated sets given the generic nature of many uniforms. Items like cuirassiers, for instance, could be made for one nation and used for 2. British infantry repaints to Dutch and Danish.
No good planning how sets could be done where they have already been done. 3 British infantry sets was perplexingly excessive, but welcome. 3 out of 5 French sets are beautiful duds, so leaving them short by comparison.
Strelets is proving wayward and willful in this range's output. Sometimes that works out. Sometimes not. The quality is there and I am so grateful that we have such beautifully sculpted figures for this period. I just hope for rational and accurate choices, rather than pretty, but pretty useless stuff.