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Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

I agree we need Lombards / Longobards and also Vandals. I don't know whether Byzantines will sell or not. All I know is that I will buy as many as I can in whatever period of their existence.We already have their various enemies over different periods: Huns, Moors, Rus, Normans. So please produce Byzantines. We wait in anticipation.

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

Difficult question to answer as its often hard to predict what might sell well or not but everytime a manufacturer launches out on a new era or subject they take some risk. In this case we are talking about the largest relatively uncovered subject up to the 15th century so there must be a good chance of serious interest which ,if the produced figures are of reasonable quality, would generate sales.

Even if HäT did go ahead and finally make their Byzantine sets (which on current form would probably take them several years anyway) there is still room for more as its a varied subject which has as much potential for multiple sets as the Roman Republic / Empire.

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

For me personally, the Byzantines never sparked much romance, passion, or interest. One of my buddies always loved to play them. He usually beat the crap out of my Carthaginians.

What I would love to see is a big box or series on Palmyra, playing up the pageantry of Queen Zenobia's court, guard cataphract camel corps, and other exotic desert Arab troops. Going a little Hollywood would be fine by me.

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

scott Jensen
For me personally, the Byzantines never sparked much romance, passion, or interest. One of my buddies always loved to play them. He usually beat the crap out of my Carthaginians.

What I would love to see is a big box or series on Palmyra, playing up the pageantry of Queen Zenobia's court, guard cataphract camel corps, and other exotic desert Arab troops. Going a little Hollywood would be fine by me.
Byzantines v Carthaginians - now that IS an interesting contest!

Personally, I think there is plenty of mystery and romance around the Byzantines - power struggles and intrigues, mercenaries, a variety of troops and generals from great to appallingly-bad, an empire fated to fall eventually in an heroic last stand to the Ottomans etc etc. I';d very much like to see more figures for this subject.

I think that some of this variety and intrigue will be captured when we see Linear-A's sets, which may perhaps become a bigger series? But if Strelets might be persuaded to make some Byzantines as well, all the better! :smiley:

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

I dream from byzantines, late antique, 6-7th century against persians, german tribes, arabs and civil war fractions....

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

Haha, sounds similar to my little collection. The Vikings are considering raiding the Aztecs, but Tecumseh's men may beat them to the punch! :P

I would buy Byzantine sets simply because they are very useful for most scenarios, but do I dream of them? No. My dreams have Tlaxcala warriors, Japanese Bushi, Genpei War Samurai, Hittite Spearman and charioteers (that are NOT based off Egyptian iconography, *coughCaesarcough*), Mongolian civilians (especially women), Ghanaian/Malian warriors for Sundjata's campaigns, and Sforza's adventures around Milano. My dreams are a little exotic though. But basically if they appear in an Age of Empires II campaign, I am interested. :joy:

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

Graham Korn
This is probably an unanswerable question but what do people feel about the appeal of Byzantines? Manufacturers seem to be wary of them. Obviously, Orion had a go but produced sets that tried to cover too much and had production issues, Hat showed some sketches but don't seem to have progressed the project and Strelets says definitely not. Are Byzantines cursed in some way? If no Roman sets existed or there was very limited coverage and a manufacturer had to decide whether to do Romans or Byzantines, of course, they would do Romans but we are pretty well served with Romans from all eras and it seems to me that Byzantines would be as good a choice as any, better than some. Perhaps they are just too vast and manufacturers are not prepared to take the risk on the multiple sets that would be needed. Although the same could be said of the WSS range that is currently being rolled out, even more vast if anything. Strelets have already told us that the golden age of large volume sales disappeared long ago. More generally it does interest me what prompts a manufacturer to choose what to do next. Is it personal interest in a subject? Interest demonstrated on this forum? Scientific Market research? Playing safe and ensuring that at least some of your production is focussed on tried and tested eras? I was very disappointed and a bit surprised to see Strelets rule out Byzantines as when it comes to medievals Nikephorian Byzantines would complement their existing range providing enemies for Normans in Italy and Islamic armies in the near East.
Hi,

well with all due respect there's sometimes no good or logic reason why things are or aren't.

But yes - Linear-A now covers this range.

Re: Would Byzantines sell well?

I am very pleased to see the planned sets by Linear A but I don't agree that they are covering this range, like the Romans there are at least 3 separate eras and a huge range of troop types so what has been done so far and what is promised has barely scratched the surface. As for the decision to produce a certain set, you are right the choices sometimes seem to defy logic, I know there is always someone somewhere who will want some of the most esoteric subjects but there are some seem to have real stabs in the dark, for example I be very interested to know who bought Russian warrior monk artillery!