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Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Minuteman
There are lots of good ideas and thoughts here, which is all very inspiring and positive.

Just a few further thoughts to add to the debate further, if I may:

Strelets are doing a fine job with this range and, indeed, so many other of their sets which are improving in quality very rapidly; and also because they are prepared to take on historical periods and conflicts which have not previously been covered in our hobby.

As the manufacturer, it is of course their decision what to design and produce. If every single set was a matter for lengthy debate then they would find it difficult to maintain the output that they are currently achieving! However, sharing early stage masters in this Forum is a very good way of flagging up 'problems' at an early stage. I very much hope that the historical difficulties that have been identified with the French Musketeer set can be resolved and before this set makes it to production. There is much about the set that is good, and with some re-design this may yet have a place in the range - although this may be for a slightly earlier period than the WoSS, as Edwardian has so lucidly explained.

So...Yes, let's help Strelets where we can; but also remember that they need to get on with designing and producing figures as well!

With regards future WoSS sets, my vote would go with the following (several of which already mentioned):

Complete the French and English/Scots/'British' first: I agree that a set with some French grenadiers would be very useful; and please can we have a French infantry drummer or two? A set each of French Maison du Roi cavalry and line 'light' cavalry are much needed. A set of French dragoons as well? And a set of English dragoons.

The generic personalities/mounted commanders set would be fantastic, and extremely useful.

That's already quite a lot of new sets. If Strelets and we still have the stamina, then how about in addition: A set of Bavarian or Dutch or Austrian infantry (or all three); a set of Bavarian/Austrian cuirassiers; and perhaps a set of hussars.

Artillery sets would be useful, although there are of course already some on the market which can be used. But something that does not exist and would be very useful would be a 'generic early C18th transport' set, with a large 4 wheeled wagon (four horse team), a small two wheeled wagon (single horse), and perhaps some civilians and a sutler/sutleress or two. This woudl add a whole lot of character to any early C18th collection!
I would agree with all of Minuteman's comments, 100%, and his suggestions for further WSS sets.

The sculpts for the Musketeers are first rate, in line with the WSS sets, and the pikemen masters look good, so I completely buy into the idea of having them as one of a series of 1690s sets; another great period and what fun to have matchlocks! Perhaps a complementary set for the Musketeers and Pikemen sets could include contemporaneous Fusiliers and Grenadiers?

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Dear Everybody

i have a dream.

Dont forget the Wonderfull Danes
and of course
Austrians
The Dutch
The Scots
Spain
Bavarians
Savoy
Hannover
and German States
Saxony

Infantry
Cavalry
Artillery with siege weapons
Staff with Famous persons
camps
and civilians


And to Strelets Just love your Figures and thanks for the free speech on this Forum

greatings from Wonderfull :flag-dk: Denmark

Tommy

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

There is nothing like a Dane
Nothing in the world
There is nothing you can name
That is anything like a Dane

https://www.tacitus.nu/gnw/armies/denmark/infantry.htm

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

I just received my WSS sets in the mail today! My first impression is "wow" These are some of the most beautifully sculpted figures that Strelets has ever produced and I think this is now my new favourite Strelets range (although I love other ranges too).

Yes please produce more figures for this range!!

Thank you Strelets

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

For those yet to indulge in this set, probably the largest, clearest pictures are those on Plastic Soldier (http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/FirstLook.aspx?id=2742), which as I type are awaiting review.

I agree, these are some of the best Strelets sets I've seen; detailed, fine, elegant and poised. How they make me wish Strelets would turn its talents and attentions to the Seven Years War and produce British and French sets!

Reflecting on recent posts, I wonder, do we need sets for all nations?

Uniforms are fairly generic at this period.

True, there are myriad detailed distinctions: Different patterns of spontoons, liveried musicians etc, but, really, uniform items are pretty similar across the nations.

The French need their own sets, as they are distinguished by their ventral cartridge boxes and differently patterned coat pocket flaps. Yet, some of the French could just as easily be painted up for Spanish and the British sets suit many nations. I have British figures, for instance, ready to be painted as Dutch and Danes.

French:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/f9/fb/59f9fbee33812c5845f397ee3bda2dc9.jpg
https://amazon.clikpic.com/stevenoon/images/1_476x640.jpg

Spanish:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/95/f1/f3/95f1f363f7c09d2f45c20ee3a4a89748.jpg
http://www.alabarda.net/uniformes/esp/inf/clonard/imagenes/inf_clonard_39.jpg

Austrian:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/34/5b/fa/345bfaf8d2a61e71bcad6619e2d91d8a.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/06/f9/b1/06f9b1bbca4ae29b663dab632070380e.jpg

Prussian:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/be/ac/b8/beacb8e54121c739a43197ad83720f2f.jpg

Dutch:
https://www.baccus6mm.com/includes/products/publications/spanishsuccession/images/cd18.jpg


What, specifically, would make an unpainted set of figures for this period Danish for instance?

Austrians might be distinguished by fur grenadier caps or Prussians by cutaway coats, but many nations' infantry just involved a change of colour for this period in this scale. Fertile ground, these sets, for Imaginations, too, I should have thought.

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Wow Edwardian! Your posts are like mana for me!!!! Thanx a lot!!!!!

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Edwardian
For those yet to indulge in this set, probably the largest, clearest pictures are those on Plastic Soldier (http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/FirstLook.aspx?id=2742), which as I type are awaiting review.

I agree, these are some of the best Strelets sets I've seen; detailed, fine, elegant and poised. How they make me wish Strelets would turn its talents and attentions to the Seven Years War and produce British and French sets!

Reflecting on recent posts, I wonder, do we need sets for all nations?

Uniforms are fairly generic at this period.

True, there are myriad detailed distinctions: Different patterns of spontoons, liveried musicians etc, but, really, uniform items are pretty similar across the nations.

The French need their own sets, as they are distinguished by their ventral cartridge boxes and differently patterned coat pocket flaps. Yet, some of the French could just as easily be painted up for Spanish and the British sets suit many nations. I have British figures, for instance, ready to be painted as Dutch and Danes.

French:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/59/f9/fb/59f9fbee33812c5845f397ee3bda2dc9.jpg
https://amazon.clikpic.com/stevenoon/images/1_476x640.jpg

Spanish:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/95/f1/f3/95f1f363f7c09d2f45c20ee3a4a89748.jpg
http://www.alabarda.net/uniformes/esp/inf/clonard/imagenes/inf_clonard_39.jpg

Austrian:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/34/5b/fa/345bfaf8d2a61e71bcad6619e2d91d8a.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/06/f9/b1/06f9b1bbca4ae29b663dab632070380e.jpg

Prussian:
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/be/ac/b8/beacb8e54121c739a43197ad83720f2f.jpg

Dutch:
https://www.baccus6mm.com/includes/products/publications/spanishsuccession/images/cd18.jpg


What, specifically, would make an unpainted set of figures for this period Danish for instance?

Austrians might be distinguished by fur grenadier caps or Prussians by cutaway coats, but many nations' infantry just involved a change of colour for this period in this scale. Fertile ground, these sets, for Imaginations, too, I should have thought.
I think the idea of generic infantry - and cavalry for that matter - certainly works for this period. There was a conversation a few years ago on another manufacturer's Forum along similar lines; it is an idea which is well worth reviving.

Yes, there are distinctions for certain nations, and the French are clearly deserving of their own sets, both because of their specific equipment details (and certain uniform details)...and also because they are the largest army of the period!

Yes, the English/British sets can certainly be used generically, although I think I'd prefer a generic set - say, Dutch or Danish - without the marching order that PSR have noted as being (usually) discarded before combat. A generic Dutch or Danish set, alongside the sets already released, would allow most nations to be modelled.

The Bavarians have distinctive grenadier headgear, but I am in fact planning to do some head replacements using SYW Austrian grenadier heads from another well-known manufacturer's sets for my Bavarian grenadiers. Not perfect, but good enough in my view.

Let us also not forget that a number of very useful GNW sets have been released in the past, both by Strelets and more particularly (in my case) by Zvezda. Having invested in the past in lots of these sets they will be used in my WoSS armies, as well as constituting nearly all of my existing GNW Swedes and Russians (and Saxons as well).

Incidentally, having rather 'over-bought' Swedish infantry in the past (they have coat turn-backs which make them awkward figures to use for WoSS), I am now pressing them into service as circa 1740s British Foot for Dettingen, Fontenoy etc. To my mind they work quite well in this 'new' role.

Much cavalry for the period is also generic, and if there was only one further set that Strelets produced for the WoSS I think my vote would go with a set of really good generic dragoons to serve in most European armies for the WoSS period.

But very hopefully, we will not be limited to only one further set!!

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

As suggested before, I would be glad to see an infantry set labelled as "generic european" in order to cover other nations which were important as well such as Austria, Prussia, Denmark, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy.

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Hi,

Cavalrywise, I would like the more unique types of horse to be covered, and some of these are to be found in the Imperial Austrian army:

-Austrian/Bavarian cuirassiers (a kind of mandatory one)

-Hungarian hussars in Austrian service,

Then, among the others, probably 3 or 4 sets would see it done:

-Maison du Roi cavalry (may do with 3 or 4 figures of each unit)

-a British Dragoons set (just in name, generic enough to cover whatever)

-French Dragoons mounted AND dismounted, wearing distinctive headgear. 1 of each?

So, that's a total of 5 or 6.

One thing I would love to find in future cavalry sets is some smart-looking kettledrummers! There are not many around, you know, and they quite add to the visual appeal of the era.

Best,

Nicolás

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

I really like the idea of a single French Maison du Roi cavalry set, with 3-4 figures from different units:

- Gendarmes
- Chevau-Legers
- Musketeers
- Grenadiers

Could we then, please, have sets of:

- "Light" Cavalry - standard French "Horse"
- Dragoons
- Artillery


I wonder in what volumes people buy figures for such ranges, and I have no idea whether my consumption is above or below average? So far, I have invested in 30 boxes across the range of 4 WSS infantry sets, which, I feel, represents sufficient investment in the range so far as to justify commenting on what else it might usefully contain!

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Dear Edwardian, I'm very interested in your plans when creating such a large-scale project of VSS in 1/72? Are you suggesting creating a diorama or popularizing this conflict in wargame? Is it possible to get acquainted with your works?

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

You are very kind, Valentin, thank you.

I tend to paint up wargames units (to a rather generous 1:20 figure ratio, because that gives units a meaningfully sized appearance to my eyes), but have never wargamed!

Sad, I know.

I would be happy to post pictures as and when I have them, probably on Benno's, and let you know!

Re: French WSS Range: Thoughts on Infantry (1690-1715) and other sets

Ok. Thank you. https://vvevit.blogspot.com/