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Mr Schmitt

Aug 22, 2019 - 8:48AM

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Re: Austrian Grenadiers

Opinion

Mr Schmitt

I can not imagine, because as far as I know trousers have never been issued to German regiments.
Maybe Opinion can help me again with a picture. Only one serious picture would be enough. :wink:

\"Maybe Opinion can help me again with a picture. Only one serious picture would be enough.\"

Detail from an 1807 watercolour by Carl Freiherr von Steininger, Oberstlieutenant of Linien-Infanterie-Regiment Nr. 3 Erzherzog Carl in 1805, Oberst of the same regiment in 1806, representing an NCO of fusiliers in full dress and a private in barrack dress, with \"Holzmütze\" and trousers over stockings, with shoes, no gaiters, of the said regiment.

Satisfied?

:wink:

(so, the idea that German infantry wore breeches and stockings, the latter covered with gaiters, seems to be another misconception spread by so-called uniformologists ... Actually, the gaiters were worn over trousers, not breeches, at least from c. 1807 on ...

Another picture of trousers worn over white or black stockings, with shoes, but no gaiters, this time with a Landwehr unit -Landwehr of Moravia and Silesia - , dated 1810:

http://uniformenportal.de/picture.php?/37/category/10

Basically, the same legwear as shown by Steininger for his German infantry regiment...)

Nope.

this pictures shoes a soldier dressed for drill. All armies had a different dress for the drill or for work. So, no evidence at all.

Thanks a lot for all your other pictures, which only show uniforms after the Napoleonic period, also to be seen on the shakoes, when more or less all the states followed the french fashion of long trousers.

Nevertheless thanks a lot this discussion.

Aug 22nd, 2019 - 8:48 AM

Opinion

Aug 22, 2019 - 9:29AM

188.61.126.254

Re: Austrian Grenadiers

Your point was:

"...as far as I know trousers have never been issued to German regiments."

Wasn't it?

Well, clearly, whether for drill only or not, they were issued (at least for the Nr. 3 Erzherzog Carl Regiment). The evidence is there. Of course, you are free to ignore it.

Have a nice day.

Wagram 1809

Aug 22, 2019 - 11:56AM

217.128.123.96

Re: Austrian Grenadiers

Opinion

Opinion, you are right in asserting that in matters of uniformity things are never static and that we must not have too rigid a vision of the soldiers' appearance. Do not misunderstand my writings: there is a big difference between saying, the pants were not worn by the grenadiers, never and everywhere and say that it probably happened, but in a marginal way so that it does not appear in a systematic way in a production of figurines. As far as I am concerned this is the last option I chose. I appreciate your intervention which allows to qualify things.

Aug 22nd, 2019 - 11:56 AM