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Re: US History

I for one don’t find American history boring and in fact I've been fascinated with it since I was a kid . The ‘ugly American’ is not a stereotype I recognise or have even heard of . I’m a limey and I’d love to see more American revolution and FIW figures especially from strelets !! Cheers Alex

Re: US History

I'm in Scotland and am a huge fan of the American Civil War and the F&IW. Over the years, I have amassed a considerable library dealing with the ACW, many of the books either bought on holidays in the US or imported. I also have large ACW 1/72-scale armies and many figures for the woodland campaigns of the F&IW. Any additional figures from Strelets for either war would be more than welcome.

Re: US History

" I know most people consider N.Am history boring, not as colorful & have issues with the stereotypical 'Ugly American' which is why US soldiers are so horribly underrepresented in this hobby,"

I don't think this is correct, Bert.

Politics doesn't seem to figure all that heavily in the choice of sets that are produced. Economics certainly is the prime factor: what will sell will get made. National interest also takes precedence. Strelets not surprisingly takes an interest in Eastern European conflicts. I think you'll find IMEX was interested in sets from the N.American region eg the Alamo etc. Are there any other US figure manufacturers around who might concentrate on American conflicts?

And, as a major player in many wars in the modern world, the US doesn't do that badly in being represented.

The ACW is one of the "big" periods in wargaming. Perhaps the AWI doesn't get the attention it deserves but I believe HaT may be getting behind it. WW2 American troops don't get the coverage WW2 Germans get in the hobby but hey! which nation does? At any rate, there are a lot of sets of WW2 Americans.

Arguably, Vietnam should get more coverage and the F&I wars should too but neither are totally ignored.

For the record, I don't find any history boring and US history occupies quite a lot of space on my bookshelves and in my figure collection.



Re: US History

Dear Bert,

That's the first time that we hear about "ugly American" perception. Rest assured, that there's definitely no such thing in this group. What we found from our own experience, was that wargamers and collectors are the last ones to search prejudices amongst.

Best regards,

Strelets

Re: US History

For the record my reading interests are British military history Alfred the great to present day, followed by Napoleonic ,French and German accounts , and WW2 German , American, Russian accounts, and War in North America , I do pick up and read other stuff but looking around my study as I type almost every book is covered by the above list. I have never found American military history boring,or Americans ugly for that matter.

Re: US History

Bert
The more I read articles & listen to stories about North American military history, the more I am intrigued by it! The French & Indian War(N.Am 7yrs War), the Revolution & other wars & campaigns are truly very interesting. Much of these colonial wars were fought near where I live in upstate NY so it's incredibly great to have so much history in my backyard. I know most people consider N.Am history boring, not as colorful & have issues with the stereotypical 'Ugly American' which is why US soldiers are so horribly underrepresented in this hobby, but that. is a shame because there is a ton of awesome conflicts that people would love to diorama or wargame if they took the time to look at them. Maybe even make some figures for?
Hi,
I came to the hobby because of the famous Airfix US cavalry and the blues against the greys.

Since then I discovered AWI with a huge range of uniforms as nearly each unit was unique.

So boring, certainly not and hopefully better cover in the future at least for AWI and FIW.
Strelets team is doing a great job in regards to ACW.
Have a great weekend.
CPN

Re: US History

Imex and Pegasus used to work together to make sets along with Emhar and Caesar Miniatures. None of the Imex, Emhar, and Pegasus sets sold well enough to justify the continued expense of making more sets. There were plans for many more sets, including the Vietnam War, but those are on hold, likely forever.

I for one have a lot of their stuff and love it. I would have bought more, but apparently I was in the minority. There sets are also good for conversion work. I used the Wagon Train set to make pontoons. The wagon box is the float, and I used sheet styrene for the treadway. The horses I put to other uses along with the wheels. The pioneer figures work well for many types of civilians and even soldiers from about 1840 to 1950, to even today.

https://bunkermeister.blogspot.com/2016/12/pontoon-bridge.html

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Re: US History

Hi Mike,

Do you know what happened to the emhar company, they produced a lot of nice Napoleonic figures and so did waterloo1815 who have also went very silent recently.

any news would be great

bfn

Allan

Re: US History

While I appreciate the influx of support & adoration for American history sets, Mike Bunkmeister hit it on the head: VERY Limited interest! The few, like myself, can talk the talk all they want, but until people give a ton more of interest, nothing will change. I appreciate & love what Strelets is doing for ACW, but they abandoned 1812 after 2 sets. Hats' AWI sets have been shelved for years now. Mike mentioned all the failed companies who collapsed by trying to inject a little interest in North American conflicts. US History collectors are very rare & that is a shame! Companies throw us a bone now & then, but it really is just a "There, now will you shut up!" type of gesture. I will believe somebody is serious about US history when I see some WW2 US artillery & heavy weapons! Instead of yet another set of WW2 German infantry that had a different belt buckle than all the other previous sets!

Re: US History

I also live in upstate New York and have been fascinated in early American history all my
life. I have visited Ticonderoga and Fort William Henry numerous times. I'd love to see more
French and Indian War sets, Revolutionary sets, and more Eastern Indian sets.

Re: US History

The minimum number of sets the larger companies make is 5,000 and often 20,000. When people here on the forum say, I would love that set, I would buy two of them. Who will buy the other 4,998? Or the other 19,998 sets? The hard core people are here on the forums. We buy lots of sets. But when it comes to WWII Germans, or Romans, or Napoleonic French the demand for those sets is huge compared to almost anything else.

When collecting a WWII Army you buy British and you need Germans. He buys Soviet and he needs Germans, and I buy USA and I need Germans, the other guy buys French, and he needs Germans. So each of those collectors or wargamers buys one nation, plus Germans.

The same is true in Napoleonics, someone collects Russians, Austrians, Prussians, British, Spanish, but they all need French. Ancients are the same way, everyone fights Romans; Gauls, Germans, Celts, Egyptians, and so on.

So for every new WWII British set, we need another German set. For every new WWII Russian set, we need a new German set.

But when it comes to ACW we have only two sides and so we don't get a lot of variety. I am very pleased that Strelets is making ACW and I have purchased most of them, and plan to purchase the rest later this year and more. I hope Strelets continues to make ACW sets.

I have no update on Emhar.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Re: US History

I'm very glad Strelets is still considering some more new ACW sets. I've bought several boxes of each set so far and will with new ones also.

The ACW Sailors fought right along side the U.S. Marines while taking Fort Fisher. They also fought with Infantry at other fortress sea-based landings. There are many very inexpensive cardboard based and foam based Paddlewheelers, Sailing Ships, and Battle Ships being sold on Amazon, eBay, and Russia and China sellers and they are easy to make conversions into Ironclads.

I'll do some homework for you Strelets and e-mail my favorite pictures of sailors and mail paper copies also for consideration. One mould would work for both Union Blue and Confederate Gray. Saves on costs, but you must, must, must do both Blue and Gray!

As far as American themes, there is another well known company who just posted their ACW Marching test shots and they do look nice. There are plenty of customers commenting on their forum. I'll stick with Strelets Marching sets and buy more action poses sets from Strelets. That company is also collecting information from it's forum members for the AWI and responds to questions favorably about future production. They are also doing WWII Yanks and Brits. Strelets recently released WWII sets also.

Ceasars WWII German sets are really nice, cover early, mid- and late war uniforms and go well with Strelets German sets. I've got both. Reminds me of my childhood watching on T.V. "Combat" with Vic Morrow. I very much like the Pegasus U.S. Rangers, nice and soft and bendy and don't break. I held out as long as I could from buying Imex Alamo, but no one else is doing it so I've got a respectable inventory. But I dislike all of the broken rifles and lances right out of the boxes because of Imex's brittle plastic.

I read a public article on the internet that Emhar's founder passed away several years ago. That's when new chatter quieted down regarding new sets. Their existing sets are nice and go well with Imex, but are a little too tall for me.

I think overall the hobby is healthy and productive and most of my discretionary cash goes to buying new sets, and taking the family out to eat.

Honestly, if no other producer but Strelets keeps making new sets, that's OK with me. They are doing my favorite themes right now and I hope they keep adding to them.

I like your wagon/bridge project Mike! I bought a bunch of those wagons, too and will use them with the Strelets Early Boers.

Re: US History

Good thoughts Garrison!

I don't "do" British Colonial as such, can't do everything, but I do collect Tarzan, I loved reading all the books and watching most of the movies. So I do obtain a few of the various colonial troops that can work for Africa. I also use some of the British as Americans as US troops wore various sun hats / pith helmet type headgear at different times in our history.

The Alamo troops from Imex are great, I purchased a number of their big Alamo sets and in doing so the price per set is cheaper. I also got a number of various Napoleonic sets that came my way over the years, and they get used as Mexicans. Of course, the Mexicans can be used against the Imex Americans for the Mexican / American war.

I have a US ironclad model that I got at a swap meet and it may end up being resin cast into a couple different versions. I am also considering a Confederate ironclad as well, something along the lines of the CSS Albemarle.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Re: Germans

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
The minimum number of sets the larger companies make is 5,000 and often 20,000. When people here on the forum say, I would love that set, I would buy two of them. Who will buy the other 4,998? Or the other 19,998 sets? The hard core people are here on the forums. We buy lots of sets. But when it comes to WWII Germans, or Romans, or Napoleonic French the demand for those sets is huge compared to almost anything else.

When collecting a WWII Army you buy British and you need Germans. He buys Soviet and he needs Germans, and I buy USA and I need Germans, the other guy buys French, and he needs Germans. So each of those collectors or wargamers buys one nation, plus Germans.

The same is true in Napoleonics, someone collects Russians, Austrians, Prussians, British, Spanish, but they all need French. Ancients are the same way, everyone fights Romans; Gauls, Germans, Celts, Egyptians, and so on.

So for every new WWII British set, we need another German set. For every new WWII Russian set, we need a new German set.

But when it comes to ACW we have only two sides and so we don't get a lot of variety. I am very pleased that Strelets is making ACW and I have purchased most of them, and plan to purchase the rest later this year and more. I hope Strelets continues to make ACW sets.

I have no update on Emhar.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog
I find myself in the unusual position of disagreeing with Mike here, as we have reached and gone beyond saturation point with WWII Germans and really don't need a new set or three for every new allied set produced. You can already buy them dressed for summer, winter tropical and unseasonal holiday weather, doing everything from making a sandwich to researching a nuclear weapon.

As I type this someone is probably out there designing a set of Waffen SS latrine attendants dressed for a wet Thursday in Byelorussia, April 1943, about tea time. :face_with_rolling_eyes:

Re: Germans

The marketplace tells us otherwise. WWII German sets continue to sell. Also many of the WWII German sets are limited production. Caesar Miniatures makes a set once and then never re-releases it, so although they make a large number of German sets, once they are gone, that's it. So they have to release new sets to stay in business.

The other thing about WWII Germans is unlike most other nations they were in the war for a long time, 1939 to 1945 and fought from the arctic to the desert. So they needed many different uniforms and equipment. They also had many different kinds of units, Army, SS, Navy, Air Force and Volkssturm who all fielded ground combat units.

Each of these wore a different uniform and the Germans constantly changed their weapons. So the Germans of 1939 were different uniforms from the Germans who invaded France. They wore different uniforms from the Germans who invaded Russia, and the Germans who defended Berlin were much different from those at Normandy.

The Germans also had many odd units composed of people who were drafted or volunteered from occupied territories and they wore different uniforms and carried different weapons. The Arab Legion and the Indian Legion wore turbans and other unusual headgear.

I think these are the reasons why people want more German sets, I know that's why I buy them. I do want more American sets, but I understand the "need" for them might be less, still I buy all of the Americans sets that get produced.

The only nation that even comes close in variety of uniforms and equipment is the British Empire and that's why even Airfix gave use so many sets of British troops, 8th Army, Paratroopers, RAF, Australians, Gurkas, and regular infantry. Now Strelets are giving us New Zealand, and South Africa and others.

And while I don't collect WWII British I still buy one or two sets for conversion, or to fight alongside my Americans, which often happened in real life.

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Re: US History

As I type this someone is probably out there designing a set of Waffen SS latrine attendants dressed for a wet Thursday in Byelorussia, April 1943, about tea time.


If Strelet produced the above set I will buy it (my first German set for 20 years!) - although Goebbels miniatures probably already have it planned! Personnelly I would rather have Third Reich mules set - at least I could convert them into something useful!


Unfortunately, American and Western Allies figures and vehicles will always be over looked.
ie. BEF early war period, Allied artilley (US 105mm, British 17pdr, 155mm etc) are totally ignored but there are endless third reich 'paper tanks' like E25- E75 and flying saucers are readily available.

..... but as people say nazi products sell and there appear on modelling sites a lot of modellers who churn out anything with a iron cross on it!

As for Strelet keep on doing what they are best at - unusual subjects which other 'leading' manufacturers would not consider.



Re: US History

Funnily enough although I have no interest in Napoleonics, the only sets of that era that I considered buying are those for 1812, partly because I read a cracking account of the war and partly because I love the look of the Eastern Woodland Native Americans and the American militia. Similarly, I have no interest in the Seven Years War except the parts of it that occurred in North America. Again because I like the Native Americans and Last of the Mohicans film. So I found the comment about ugly Americans really surprising. Must admit ACW doesn't really float my boat but equally not patticularly interested in Franco-Prussian War or wars of Italian unification, so nothing to do with if the subject is American or not.

Re: US History

When it comes to Napoleonics I only buy those sets I can use for other things. The HaT French Napoleonic Limber is a good set to buy for horses, it has 18 horses in harness and they pull wagons and artillery in many of my armies up to and including World War Two. The wagon wheels get repurposed also. The horse riders get cut in half and a new upper half gets installed from the USSR or even WWII Germany.

I too buy them for the French and Indian War, the American Revolution, and even as far afield as the Alamo. Still, the vast majority of Napoleonics go un-purchased by me. I was gifted a number of them a few years ago, and I found several of the sets homes as military school cadets. Some of then right now are attending West Point, and others are fighting for the Confederacy as they march from the Citadel.

A boxes of Imex French and British Infantry got head swaps with each other and they became guards for Doctor Dooms castle in Latveria.

https://bunkermeister.blogspot.com/2017/08/the-army-of-latveria.html

https://bunkermeister.blogspot.com/2016/10/artillery-limber.html

Mike Bunkermeister Creek
Bunker Talk blog

Re: US History

Sometimes I wonder if Imex Mexican war infantry set had been better, and better sets of Mexicans and artillery for both sides had been released. Would we have seen a thriving U.S-Mexican War community on the 1/72 scene? Sad to think it never was...