looks good.would love to see images of the crew.

Its such a shame that once again we'll be given what could have been a good artillery piece ruined by artistic license providing fictional parts. Could Strelets please post references to where the sculptor has got that this gun used 16 spoke wheels.

A couple of months ago we saw images of a Whitworth using carriages with 12 spoke wheels, which again didn't exist and now this.

Here's a reference photo. The same carriage wheels were used on most artillery pieces throughout the ACW even up to this size. They all had 14 spokes. Its not hard to count.

https://www.nps.gov/fopu/learn/historyculture/images/Battery-Park-Rifled_1.jpg?maxwidth=1200&maxheight=1200&autorotate=false

Sorry if this comes across negative but we are yet to see a correctly configured artillery piece for the ACW from any 1/72 manufacturer, and it currently looks like that isn't going to change. What a wasted opportunity.

I just hope we don't get a bunch of crew in frock coats as well, which would be just as bad as Italeri's effort of crew in greatcoats.

Strelets, you do realise, historical inaccuracies can be just as bad as poor sculpting. It will affect your sales.

14 spokes.

The Hand-book of Artillery, for the Service of the United States, Army and Militia. With the Manual of Heavy Artillery, Including that of the New Iron Carriage"
By Joseph Robert, Major, 4TH Regt. Art., U.S.A., and Colonel ed Penn. Art.
Fifth Edition, Revised and Greatly Enlarged. New York: D. Van Nostrand, 192 Broadway, 1863.
http://www.civilwarartillery.com/books/ ... ArtCarMach

"How many kinds of wheels are employed for field carriages?
Two: No. 1 for the 6-pdr. gun-carriage, the Caisson, the forge, the battery-wagon, and for the limbers of all field carriages. No.2 for the 24 and 32-pdr. Howitzer and the 12-pdr. Gun-carriages.
In what respects are these wheels similar ?
They are of the same form and height, and they fit on the same axle-tree arm. The height is 57 inches, and each wheel is composed of 14 spokes and 7 fellies.
How do they differ?
In the dimensions of their parts, and in strength and weight.
What is the weight of these?
No. 1, 180 lbs.; No. 2, 196 lbs."

Sorry, but my knowledge in US-Civil War-Uniforms is very rudimentary.

I found this pictures....

https://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/4/83/815/83815955_large_09_sever_artilleriya.jpg

https://www.ccsutlery.com/store/us-shell-jacket-artillery.html

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/f7/83/baf78302d775b7cdd7f5b506118e61bd.jpg


Is this the type of arty-uniform you mentioned ?

The short service-Jackets.. ?

Thanks PB - the differences in 1/72 scale would almost be negligible.

Gerd - Yes those are the short service coats (commonly referred to as the shell jacket) that would be most common in use by artillerymen.

Hello Neilad,

the only ACW-Artillery-Set with a crew wearing this short Shell-Jackets is the old AIRFIX ACW-Arti-Set.

A very old set...not the best set.....but the jackets are correct...:+1:

http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/SetScans/AIR01714a.jpg

The Accurate/Revell set has a couple of figures that would pass
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=4

and the Confederate Imex has one figure that would suit with a head swap.
http://www.plasticsoldierreview.com/Review.aspx?id=178

But very slim pickings really. I have some Airfix figures but I wouldn't really use them unless I had to.

By all accounts the Norwegian Blue Parrot rifled gun had simply lots of spokes and was a marvellous catch. Why such a big gun to kill such a smallish bird?
Shucks Slim Pickens was in every cowboy film ever made.

Talk of crew brings to mind this famous photo:
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/822.jpg

Not to mention others such as these:
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/214.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/271.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/267.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/340.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/484.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/823.jpg
https://www.civilwarphotos.net/files/images/824.jpg

Now, in the age of the fabricated photograph we know to be wary of such 'evidence' and know that all of the photos of the period were staged. Of course, 'regulation dress' was anything but, particularly amongst the citizen soldiers of the ACW.

I am impressed that you know the number of spokes on a wheel. Barrels and carriages I pay attention to, but I have to admit that even though I have painted many, I never bothered to count them. Such attention to detail is impressive to a simple, hack wargamer like me who is focussed on the overall effect. Hell. I'm prepared to put be knowingly wrong and put 1861 uniformed troops on a game of Gettysburg, if necessary!

If there is time to correct it, that'd be great for those who know and others like me who can add it to the things that we have learned for the day.

Cheers,

James

Disagree entirely. Great Coats and Frock Coats are fine. There are PLENTY of other options for gunners from other manf.

Also, this is a THIRTY POUNDER Parrot Rifle. If memory serves, 16 spokes were absolutely needed and if this is sculptors license/choice, BIG DEAL. If you are counting the number of spokes you ... well... are you also counting the number of metal bands holding the barrel to the wood gun stock of the infantry? Hmmm??? What about the buttons?

Well Terry we'll agree to disagree. While I'm not saying greatcoats and frock coats didn't exist, the most common uniform issued for field artillery was the shell jacket and there is NOT 'plenty' of those from other manufacturers, which was already stated, so it would be nice for those to be considered well before crew in frock coats, that would have been primarily worn by the officers.

In relation to your comment "Also, this is a THIRTY POUNDER Parrot Rifle. If memory serves, 16 spokes were absolutely needed and if this is sculptors license/choice, BIG DEAL."
No such wheels existed and as I requested of Strelets, if you can provide evidence to the contrary, I'll gladly relent. I'm not a button counter but when the wheels are approx. 1/3 of the gun model itself, I'd like to think it was done correctly. Weren't you the one that recently posted "My vision is to make models that are actually CORRECT and not toys" and to make statements of commissioning your own 10 and 20pdr barrels because no manufacturer did them properly. Your ability to encourage sculptor license and insinuate others as button counters in one breath and then make statements in other posts as creating models that are "CORRECT", makes you a hypocrite.

Maybe a visit to the following site is in order so you can see and gain a better knowledge of what the carriage, and wheels, of a field siege gun needs to look like to be CORRECT.
http://www.civilwarwiki.net/wiki/30_pdr._Parrott_Rifle

The Strelets version has all but the wheels correct. Why not fix the error if its at all possible?

BTW, Italeri do a 10pdr parrot barrel that is pretty close for 1/72 scale so to say no manufacturer does them properly would also be incorrect. The carriage however is another thing altogether as it is very inaccurate. But I wouldn't blame you from not purchasing boxes of that set to get incorrect carriages and lots of crew in great coats.:grimacing:

Wow