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Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Me too. :-)

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Are the founding fathers next in a queue ? They must have been slave owners as well...

Hm, we used to have a joke in the USSR, that we were the only country with a variable history, when each subsequent General Secretary of the communist party re-wrote history to portray himself in better light.

Regards,

Strelets

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

no the founding fathers arent next,and yes some were slave owners.Thomas Jefferson was the architect of the constitution,and had a mistress and children that were slaves.
he is also subject of an award winning broadway play,lol.

its not about rewriting history,its about upholding history.
slavey was a holcaust to african americans.having the icons of the confederacy on state capital buildings kind of minimizes that fact to a lot of people.

having said all of that,i can go to gettysburg and marvel at the distance that picketts division had to cross,and celebrate the bravery of those men who did it.
i will also buy as many sets on the subject as i can i get my hands on lol.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

It always seemed strange to have statues of leaders of the enemy. They were born American, yes, but when the donned the uniform of the Confederacy, they became the enemy of the United States. They literally seceded from the union and renounced their citizenship in the United States. Then the war ended and they were Americans again. But to glorify them in their uniforms always seemed strange.

We have no statues of Santa Anna or Hitler or Ho Chi Minh and such. Because they were the enemy. Where this argument gets real grey is in regards to Native Americans. They were the first Americans, but they also fought the US government. So really, it isn't black and white, it is many shades of grey (well more than 50;-)). Maybe if the statues were not of generals in enemy uniforms? I think it is more about what that point in time represents for some citizens.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

So are they going to do a Taalib-Bamiyan Buddhas style demolition job on the giant Confederate monument of Stone Mountain Georgia?

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

A triumph for the confederacy.

The confederacy of dunces that is.
With less and less history being taught in schools(everywhere),posterity is being denied by those with dubious agendas.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

I know this forum is about figures and not politics, however, as a European, I cannot help but feel that destroying, moving, removing etc. statues of Confederate generals and leaders is tantamount to trying to white-wash history. We know what they stood for, but slavery isn't the only thing the Confederacy stood for. And many people had slaves a long time before them. We still have slaves today for goodness sake...

To me this is history and we should keep it as a reminder, and not try to remove it. Why not destroy every building or anything that has to do with history then? ALL history is controversial - look at it from the loser's perspective.

Anyway, just my tuppence worth on this topic. And yes, please do bring on the figures Strelets! They will be incredibly popular as there have not been any decent ACW sets in years now.

Happy collecting!
Alex

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Actually slavery is THE one cause of the Civil War. Any other mentioned is not worth space. All things State and Federal and all Industries in the South were dependent upon slavery. It was the cornerstone of the South's economy... the value or worth of slaves in the US was more than the then all the industry in the North. The ACW was about slavery... as a side one branch of our family is that including Union Gen J.F.Reynolds, Gettysburg and another branch Confederate Gen Hoke. In fact my family flies Reynolds I Corps flag over our home with the Stars and Stripes.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Hello Plasticpanzers! Well, John Steinbeck in his America and the Americans disagrees with this and says that there were other motives, but I won't argue with you. :-)

All I say is bring on the figures for the hobby!

Cheers
Alex

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

It's not just statues but Confederate flags as well. You get a handful of people offended by something and they want to change history. It's ironic. Go to any truck rally in any southern state and you'll see a hundred Confederate flags waving. While some may be offended others are more offended they cannot keep a part of their heritage. I am from the South and don't care for this latest craze of political correctness. Just leave things as they are. Please keep on making sets which depict history as it was. If any don't like it they don't have buy them.Thank You! Cappy

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

US citizens do what you like it is your country. Empty plinths look good though. They should be replaced with funny sculptures of Ronaldo if they have to have something.
There was a good US TV programme about the Confederate flag which initially (7 then 13 stars and two red bars) was too much like the Union flag from a distance especially when furled or limp so they reselected one of the runners up (also 7 stars) in the 1861 contest. Another 6 stars later it became the battle flag.
Rewriting history. Didn't we British call the M3 medium tank the Lee and the M3 light tank the Stuart thereby exhausting our knowledge of Confederate generals for all time. This forced the USA to name their tanks - Patton, Pershing, Abrams, Bradley, Chaffee, Sheridan etc thereafter.
Talking of pc our local (extremely successful) rugby club has come in for criticism for being called the Exeter Chiefs. If Devon gets invaded by the Sioux we have only ourselves to blame.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

I had two ancestors who fought for the Union in the Civil War. One was killed at a place called Deep Bottom, Virginia. I have been to his grave near
the Petersburg battlefield. I admire their courage (they were both in their
40s when they enlisted) and certainly believe they were fighting on the "good"
side. Nevertheless, I think removing the Confederate statues is disgusting.
They are a part of our mutual history. Political Correctness allows a few
angry, opinionated, fanatics to dictate what everyone else does, says, or
think.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

If you removed all statues of people who owned slaves in the USA you'd have to remove some pretty important people in US history, George Washington would be the first to go! so I find it to be rather selective and somewhat hipocriticle... it must confuse an awful lot of Americans...


Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Who do you think is next - our Founders are already being vilified in some circles because of the slavery issue - sadly IMHO.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

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Dear Strelets,

OK, so what do you say the final Big Box Set brings a conclusive end to the American Civil War in 1/72 with the titled theme - "The End of the American Civil War - General Lee Surrenders to General Grant at Appomattox Court House." Maybe including sprews such as:

* One sprew of poses of Confederates Retreating from a battle.
* One sprew of Lee's Northern Virginia Army abandoning Richmond, VA with supplies and encampment pieces (could be used for any time of ACW)
* One sprew of General Lee Surrendering to General Grant at Appomattox Court House with a couple of tables and chairs and Lee and Grant figures plus other Generals standing (can be used anytime throughout ACW)
* Other popular sprews

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

The Appomattox set could include the figure of Maj-Gen Autie Custer marching off with the historic surrender table balanced on his head

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

The problem with "vignette"-type boxes is that few people would buy more than one of them. Most of us want firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides,and cavalry and artillery. I'll certainly buy multiples of each, particularly the dismounted, skirmishing cavalry and firing lines. I wouldn't even purchase one box of personality figures and surrender accoutrements.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Ian Bruce
The problem with "vignette"-type boxes is that few people would buy more than one of them. Most of us want firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides,and cavalry and artillery. I'll certainly buy multiples of each, particularly the dismounted, skirmishing cavalry and firing lines. I wouldn't even purchase one box of personality figures and surrender accoutrements.

The advantage of a Big Box Set is you can cover multiple themes. I'm giving as examples here the Confederate Army abandoning Richmond, which you could do a sprew of Confederate Camp Life. The Retreating sprew could be used for any battle. The Surrender sprew could contain both sitting and standing Generals on both sides. We already have the riding poses from the Commander sets. By the way, the specialty Personality Commander sets were three of Strelets early best sellers. I bought 10 of each myself especially for conversions and Strelets has agreed to re-run them again by popular request. But yes, most people only buy 1, maybe 2 Big Boxes because of the high price, and Strelets knows this. I'd buy at least two, one for Surrendering, and another for having Lee strategizing with his other generals battle plans. My idea is that all of the sprews could be used for other purposes, not just surrendering. We would never even get to this box if customers don't buy multiple sets of firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides, and cavalry and artillery and dismounted, skirmishing cavalry. So, my suggested sets collectively could cover the entire event of the downfall of the Confederacy, as well as being used for any ACW battle. Granted, the idea is a novelty, but I'd buy at least one especially since it was such a famous event, studied, written about, and so many videos recreating it.

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

GarrisonClay
Ian Bruce
The problem with "vignette"-type boxes is that few people would buy more than one of them. Most of us want firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides,and cavalry and artillery. I'll certainly buy multiples of each, particularly the dismounted, skirmishing cavalry and firing lines. I wouldn't even purchase one box of personality figures and surrender accoutrements.

The advantage of a Big Box Set is you can cover multiple themes. I'm giving as examples here the Confederate Army abandoning Richmond, which you could do a sprew of Confederate Camp Life. The Retreating sprew could be used for any battle. The Surrender sprew could contain both sitting and standing Generals on both sides. We already have the riding poses from the Commander sets. By the way, the specialty Personality Commander sets were three of Strelets early best sellers. I bought 10 of each myself especially for conversions and Strelets has agreed to re-run them again by popular request. But yes, most people only buy 1, maybe 2 Big Boxes because of the high price, and Strelets knows this. I'd buy at least two, one for Surrendering, and another for having Lee strategizing with his other generals battle plans. My idea is that all of the sprews could be used for other purposes, not just surrendering. We would never even get to this box if customers don't buy multiple sets of firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides, and cavalry and artillery and dismounted, skirmishing cavalry. So, my suggested sets collectively could cover the entire event of the downfall of the Confederacy, as well as being used for any ACW battle. Granted, the idea is a novelty, but I'd buy at least one especially since it was such a famous event, studied, written about, and so many videos recreating it.


I love the surrendering idea, perhaps something like this could be released during the 155th anniversary of the surrender but that's like 3 years from now lol I wouldnt want to wait that long. But why not a personality or bonus figure like Capt Sims with the white surrender/truce flag on a tree branch or his sword? I think sets with personality figures and unique themes would sell. Theres a 54mm Appomattox set so why not in 72nd scale?

And why not the Mclean house with removable roof, maybe some deluxe kit..

Re: It looks as if we are going against the trend [:-?]

Traveller
GarrisonClay
Ian Bruce
The problem with "vignette"-type boxes is that few people would buy more than one of them. Most of us want firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides,and cavalry and artillery. I'll certainly buy multiples of each, particularly the dismounted, skirmishing cavalry and firing lines. I wouldn't even purchase one box of personality figures and surrender accoutrements.

The advantage of a Big Box Set is you can cover multiple themes. I'm giving as examples here the Confederate Army abandoning Richmond, which you could do a sprew of Confederate Camp Life. The Retreating sprew could be used for any battle. The Surrender sprew could contain both sitting and standing Generals on both sides. We already have the riding poses from the Commander sets. By the way, the specialty Personality Commander sets were three of Strelets early best sellers. I bought 10 of each myself especially for conversions and Strelets has agreed to re-run them again by popular request. But yes, most people only buy 1, maybe 2 Big Boxes because of the high price, and Strelets knows this. I'd buy at least two, one for Surrendering, and another for having Lee strategizing with his other generals battle plans. My idea is that all of the sprews could be used for other purposes, not just surrendering. We would never even get to this box if customers don't buy multiple sets of firing lines, marching/advancing troops for both sides, and cavalry and artillery and dismounted, skirmishing cavalry. So, my suggested sets collectively could cover the entire event of the downfall of the Confederacy, as well as being used for any ACW battle. Granted, the idea is a novelty, but I'd buy at least one especially since it was such a famous event, studied, written about, and so many videos recreating it.


I love the surrendering idea, perhaps something like this could be released during the 155th anniversary of the surrender but that's like 3 years from now lol I wouldnt want to wait that long. But why not a personality or bonus figure like Capt Sims with the white surrender/truce flag on a tree branch or his sword? I think sets with personality figures and unique themes would sell. Theres a 54mm Appomattox set so why not in 72nd scale?

And why not the Mclean house with removable roof, maybe some deluxe kit..

Dear Traveller,

Thank you for your input and ideas. I'm glad you see the potential here. Maybe some customers have forgotten or never knew there was only a Mounted Confederate Command set made before, whereas there are Union Mounted and Foot Commanders. So I feel some type of Confederate Foot Command Sprew would even things up. And the rest of the sprews can be anything. BTW, I like your ideas very much!

Cheers to ya!