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i will not be tempted by these fine figures,to get into another period.
These look great! Will some foot Arab warriors for Lawrence's Army be coming next?
I hope so.
As already mentioned, a whole range of WWI Ottomans featuring this great sculpting style would be most welcome.
The ratio of poses/figures per box that Strelets customarily offer is a great deal better than the underwhelming sets available from Hät.
Its about time that WWI Ottomans finally receive a serious reprensentation in 1/72 plastics. Therefore I would fully support any possible future sets regarding this subject.
WWI Turkish cavalry and artillery in Strelets fashion could sell very well I guess.
Just because there are some rubbers dressed up as Turks available, Strelets shouldn't shy away from this vital and possibly profitable area.
Good to see more Ottomans, and Strelets have clearly tried to add to the existing sets.
I like the sculpting and there are nice faces. There is a couple of details I am wondering about:
Which machine gun is this? Looks like a (captured) Vickers to me, which would have been not my first choice.
What rifles are they using? Probably Mauser mod. 1890 (1889), or probably Mannlicher or Russian Mosin-Nagant, since they look neither like the standard Mauser mod. 1893 nor Martini-Peabody or Martini-Henry guns.
It looks like the sculptor tried to picture as many types of troopy as possible in one set. Some have patches on their knees, some have full packs, some have ammo pouches / bandoliers all round the waist (like the Airfix WW1 U. S. troops), and there is a mix of headgear. Can these figures be placed in the same unit?
The stick grenade is too clumsy (as is the rifle on the MG loader's back), and should be replaced by a smaller one. Regards, Pa
Pa, it looks like a Vickers to me too, can they be used as the same unit ?, not 100% sure but probably yes, I have seen one or two photo`s of units with mixed headgear. Both sides kitted out Arabs with uniforms, but both sides wore local headgear, so they for the most part could pass for Iraqi or Syrian troops in Ottoman service.
I think some attempt has been made to turn the Vickers into a Maxim via a deeper breech, though I think the cooling jacket still needs to be smooth rather then ribbed (improved cooling more area) though it would be an easy fix if your so inclined...
The Turks were apparantly quite fond of using Hotchkiss MGs(captured)but as this came from a Light Horseman he probably meant the Hotchkiss Portative (not the HMG though they did have a few) used by the ALH...
The Turkish Army was very short of MGs so I guess anything usable and with ammo would be pressed into service even if only for as long as the ammo lasted or the gun remained operable...
A good site to check out http://www.turkeyswar.com/
I think the Rifle is the Mauser model 1890:
Wow!! Another "must buy", even though this is not my area of interest.
Nice looking figures. Shame some people can't just leave it at that. These new figures will probably be around the same size as the HaT figures, so all the various Ottoman sets should complement one another.
Many of these new figures could be used to fight against the Turks. The British successfully encouraged many soldiers to turn against their former masters, and they still used their old Turk uniform. That could explain the Vickers (supplied by the British), although I'd rather see a German MG08. Wasn't there also a large amount of Japanese Arisaka rifles in this theatre, having been rushed there by the British, or am I getting my theatres mixed up? Could the rifles be those?
And how about film footage of THE ITALIAN FORCES IN PALESTINE
Maybe we'll see some of the elusive Italians, French, or Austrians who were also in this theatre? Or switch continents and make some Senussi.
Just in case your wondering about the Turkish Tripod mounted Maxim, this Should be the Commercial Model 1909 produced by the DEUTSCHE WAFFEN-UND MUNITIONSFABRIKEN "DWM" and was considered to be a "light" machine gun at 17kg, over 1500 it seems were supplied to the Turkish Army during WW1....
Though its clear a similar looking Vickers has be used instead for the model...
Thanks for providing additional info and comments.
So the machine gun seems a captured Vickers indeed. The tripod is fine but I'd vote for having the barrel replaced by a Maxim one.
The rifles are correct for Ottomans, but the one on the loader's back is too fat. The clumsy stick grenade should be replaced by a smaller one.
Not saying they are wrong, but I could not find out which troops used those sword bayonets.
Offically the Fez was not worn in combat, but it adds flavor, so we can exchange the same comments like about turbans, slouch hats or sun helmets in combat.
Still not sure different headgear was worn within the same unit, keffiyeh and kabalak.
From same website of a respected expert: "Currently, most model (...) WW1 Turkish soldiers represent the infantry as wearing German–style ‘Y’ harness. This equipment was never worn by Turkish WW1 Soldiers."
So I'd really like to see some changes in this set, which has enormous potential as the figures are so nice.
Heres a pic of a number of captured "Turkish" MGs, the soldiers are Arab Revolt not Turks per se... The Guns include two Russian Maxims, a bunch of other water cooled maxims, probably MG08s/MG09s and what looks like some light machine guns on bipod mounts (though they may not be) these could be Lewis, Hotchiss, Madsen or even Schwazlose MGs...
All these guns have been in use by the Turks and in this case would likely be used by the Arab forces post capture.... Ammo and parts willing
1500 plus pics from the Arab Revolt:
T E LAWRENCE AND THE ARAB REVOLT 1916 - 1918
Thank you Ironsides. I was unable to spot an Ottoman in Y straps. This page does not mention them either (scroll down to see the equipment kit):
Some more photos (243) this time Turkish, Austrians and Germans.. somewhere in there is a pic of Turkish soldiers with captured Lewis guns...
World War I in Palestine and the Sinai
I do have a photo of German? troops in tropical kit using a Bergmann LMG so its possible some of those captured MGs previously shown are Bergmanns, but it does prove at least that almost anything is possible as far as MGs are concerned...
I cant say I've seen a Y strap on any Turkish troops, fact is it doesn't seem to be a popular method during WW1 other then possibly for German cavalry...
The usual method seems to be an improvised strap around the back of the neck supporting the belt, now this I have seen on Turkish soldiers...
Thank you Ironsides. The mentioning of "automatic rifles" is rather intriguing.